August 24, 1917

LIB

Alexander Kenneth Maclean

Liberal

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

Are certificates of discharge granted to men. who were attested but who subsequently could not pass the medical examination?

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

There are cases where men who passed the examination afterwards broke down as a result of the strain, or for other reasons, and were discharged on medical grounds. A man does not become a soldier, however, until he has passed his first medical examination.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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John William Bell

Mr. CAR YELL:

I know a good many

men who offered to enlist but who were turned down for one reason or another. I understand that such men are furnished with badges showing that they have attempted to enlist but have been rejected for some reason. I was wondering whether that class of men would come under the head of "discharged soldier." Personally I would think not.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I would think not.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

They would be ordinary civilians and would exercise the franchise according to the general law.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

That is my understanding.

On section 2-Definitions:

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

I move:

That section 2 be amended by prefixing to its clauses respectively the letters (a), (b) and (c).

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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Amendment agreed to. I move: That paragraph (a) of section 2 be amended by striking out the words "for containing ballots" in the second line and substituting therefor the words "made of durable material with one lock and key and a slit or narrow opening in the top and so constructed that ballot papers enclosed in envelopes may be introduced therein but cannot be withdrawn therefrom without unlocking it. In the proposed amendment we describe the receptacle to be used in precisely the words of section 122 of the Dominions Elections Act, which is a description of the ballot box to be used in the elections in Canada. The only difference, if it be a difference, is that we specify that "ballot box" may include a bag or other receptacle.


LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

In section 11 there is a provision to the effect that the key of this box or bag remains with the general returning officer either in Paris or in London.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

The receptacle is locked so that the presiding officer who has it cannot open it during all the time that it

is in his possession, unless he mutilates it. It may take a slightly larger aperture to put in a ballot that is in an envelope with a certificate on the back of it, but in every other respect this provision conforms absolutely to the requirements of the Dominion Elections Act.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

I congratulate the minister upon the sense of reason and justice that has come to him in making the change in this section at the request of members on this side. The same applies to other necessary amendments which have been made to other sections of the Bill.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Is the amendment providing for some other form of receptacle than the box ordinarily used in Canada based merely on apprehension that the ordinary ballot box would not be suitable, or is it founded on some experience that it is not suitable?

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

Our information is that in the elections that were taken a bag was found more convenient. The member for North Simcoe (Mr. Currie) pointed out that tin boxes would be more difficult of transportation. Even in this country there is no provision that the receptacle shall be a tin box.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Wooden boxes are largely used in the Maritime Provinces.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Were the ballot boxes *sent over to England when the ballots were forwarded in the spring of 1915?

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

My impression is that

they were not. Hon. gentlemen will remember that in this country the ballot boxes are not furnished by the Dominion Government; they are gathered in the different localities as is found convenient. I think they are usually got from the municipalities.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Is there any provision

for a penalty for the supplying of a bag not of durable material?

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

No more than

there is with regard to ballot boxes in Canada.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

There is no provision

with regard to that.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

As a great deal depends upon the character of the receptacle, some person should be held responsible for the receptacle being according to the terms of the Bill.

Topic:   THE MILITARY VOTERS' ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE.
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August 24, 1917