August 6, 1917

LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

How many of them are there?

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Something like thirteen or fifteen, I think.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I will get the list.

Mr. KY'TE: But there is a larger number of motor boats employed, is there not?

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Yes, but they are hardly regarded as naval vessels. There are a number at Sydney and Halifax used in connection with the vessels at those ports.

Mr. MARCH,: Has anything been seen of the enemy in Canadian waters since the war broke out?

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Mr HAZEN:

It is pretty hard to answer. In the early days of the war there was scarcely a day we did not receive a report of submarines being seen. All shipping was stopped on the St. Lawrence. No ships were allowed to go out of Quebec.

This, was done because the statement came from lighthouse keepers that several submarines had been seen in the lower part of the Gulf. We used to hear reports, too, of submarines being seen around the Island of Cape Breton; the member for Richmond (Mr. Kyte) no doubt remembers the report that was sent in about their having been seen in the Bras d'Or lakes. They were reported also as being off the coast of Maine. At one time the reports were backed by such evidence that the Naval Department of the United States sent ships down there and were in communication with us in regard to the matter. In nearly all these cases, however, investigation proved that the reports were unfounded. My own belief is that enemy submarines have not been near our coast. We have received even this year reports of that kind that seemed to be well verified, but on investigation we came to the conclusion that it could not have been submarines that were seen.

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LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

New York harbour was

closed for part of one day.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Yes. We have thought

that there would be more possibility of enemy ships operating further to the south if they were on this side of the Atlantic at all. Of course, the submarines can do much more effective work by remaining neaT the other side, near their bases, in the path of vessels crossing to the British Isles. Most probably it would only be for spectacular purposes that they would make a trip over to this side. We are taking every step that we can take in order to combat this danger. I do not think it is possible, having regard to the means of protection that arp being adopted, for a submarine base to be established anywhere along the coasts of Newfoundland or the Maritime Provinces, or in the Straits of Belle Isle. At one time there was a general theory that a submarine base might be established along the Straits of Belle Isle, and that district was quite carefully watched. Up to the present, however, we have had no evidence to lead to the conclusion that any submarine base has ever been established on this 6ide of the Atlantic in Canadian territory.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

How many submarines and destroyers have been built at Vickers?

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I do not think it is desirable that that information should be given.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

There has been no difficulty between the British Admiralty and this country since the war began in respect of naval matters?

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

No, the arrangements have been very satisfactory. Everything in connection with dockyards, stores and all such matters has gone very smoothly indeed.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

My hon. friend, who has spoken so favourably about the Royal Canadian Navy, will, I assume, do nothing to repeal the Naval Act?

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The hon. gentleman must not ask me to pledge myself; it is very dangerous to make a promise in these times.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

At all times.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

My hon. friend says that everything is smooth as between the Canadian Naval Department and the British Admiralty. We are building ships for the British Government; we are employing many men; the patrol of our sea coast is under the direction of the Canadian Naval Department. My hon. friend has excellent officers; he has naval cadets; his naval college is working in perfect order. Besides, my hon. friend has been able to recruit for the British Admiralty during the

year. On the whole, in this respect, my hon. friend is possibly the least objectionable of all the ministers. We are very fortunate indeed in having our Royal Canadian Navy, not only for election time, but for all times.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

The member for Rouville (Mr, Lemieux) might have added that, as a fortunate and happy conclusion of the antinaval. campaign, the present Government has elevated to the Senate Mr. L'Esperance, the late member for Montmagny, who had given notice in the House of a resolution to repeal .the. law creating the Canadian Navy. He was impelled, however, to withdraw the notice of this resolution. Subsequently he was made Chairman of the Quebec Harbour Board, and, as a faithful reward for his services, he has been raised to the Senate and has voted for conscription. This gentleman was roundly denounced in 1911.

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LIB

George William Kyte

Liberal

Mr. KYTE:

Is there any objection to stating how many motor boats are leased in Nova Scotia, their sizes, the names of the parties from whom they are leased, and the rate of pay?

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

That information ought not, perhaps be given publicly, but I will send my hon. friend the list if he wants the information for himself.

Fisheries Protection Service-To provide for the repairs and maintenance of fisheries protection steamers, $375,000.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

I am not surprised that there is no increase in. this vote. I would imagine that the protection of the fisheries is almost a sinecure now. There is no poaching in Canadian waters.

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August 6, 1917