July 20, 1917

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Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member may, in a limited way, discuss the point of order, but I rule that he may not read the letter.

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William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

What I propose to Your Honour is to read a portion of a letter from the provincial Government's counsel, H. A. Powell, in which Mr. Powell states that this statement in the report was absolutely contrary to the evidence. That is what I want to show.

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Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member has already made that statement, and he has given the gist of the letter.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

I do not want to question the ruling of the Chair, even if in my humble judgment the ruling is not right. But if the Prime Minister will say

that we shall have an opportunity of discussing this matter, say, on Monday, my hon. friend will abide by the ruling.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I cannot say that we shall do so on Monday. I understand that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries will not be here on that day. I will see, however, that opportunity is given.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ILAZEN:

I am leaving for St. John, to-morrow afternoon at four o'clock. While there is a possibility of my being back on Wednesday, it is not a probability; I do not think I can get back before Thursday.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

It will keep, but in the meantime my hon. friend (Mr. Pugsley) Is under a misapprehension on the part of several people, and he is anxious to clear his name, which he has a right to do at the first opportunity.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I think that the hon. member for St. John has gone fully into the matter so far as the point of order is concerned. I should like him to believe it is not and never has been my intention, in any observations which I address to this House, to do him or any other hon, member anything short of the fullest justice. My hon. friend has not examined the remarks which he made'in 1909 as fully as I could have desired. I understand him to say to this House that his criticism on that occasion was directed against the report, not against the commissioned, and he repeated that. I must ask the privilege of refreshing his recollection in order that I may do myself the justice of showing to the House that I did not speak without some warrant. On that occasion my hon. friend said this-

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Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The very difficulty which I feared has arisen because of permitting to the hon. member undue latitude in hi3 remarks.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I am confining myself entirely to the point of order which my hon. friend raised.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

No; this is with regard to what my hon. friend said on that

occasion. He states that he used no language which would justify me in the observations which I addressed to the House and he quoted just one portion-by no means the strongest portion-of his remarks. I desire to point out that he used much stronger language, and that when he stated to this House that he did not attack the commissioner, but only attacked the report, his examination of the speech he made on that occasion was not thorough.

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William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

I rise to a point of order. The point of order raised by my right hon. friend was settled by Your Honour, my right hon. friend stating that he would appoint a day next week when the whole matter would be discussed. At that time, it would be quite open to my right hon. friend to take up the evidence, but it would not be fair now to make a speech to which I could not properly reply.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I will rise to a question of privilege myself. I desire to point out-

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Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. The Prime Minister has the floor.

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William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

No, Mr. Speaker, I have the floor. The point of order having been settled, I was going to continue my line of argument.

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