July 18, 1917

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. ARAISTRONG:

It merely calls attention to the disobeying of the orders of the board, and the liability of the officers of the company, and the liability of the officers of the municipality or corporation, and other liabilities, and prosecutions. I might call the attention of the committee to the fact that, in the tenth line, after the word "director" we inserted the word "and," between "director" and "managing director" and struck out the words "and superintendent" in the same line. These are the only changes.

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CON
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Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

It is not a reconstruction; it is an entirely new section. To some extent it is a reconstruction of the clause in the draft Bill, but it has not appeared in the Railway Act before.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Air. CARVELL:

No, it is all new. Subsection 2 provides:

Wherever it is proved that any company has neglected or refused to obey an order of the Board made under the provisions of this Act, the president, the vice-president, each vice-president where there are more than one, and every director and managing director of such company shall each be guilty of an of- * fence for which he shall be liable to a penalty of not less than twenty dollars and not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisonment for any period not exceeding twelve months, or both, unless he proves that, according to his position and authority, he took all necessary and proper means in his power to obey and carry out, and to procure obedience toand carrying out of, such order, and that hewas not at fault for the neglect or refueal to

obey the same.

Suppose a divisional superintendent or district superintendent was ordered to do a certain thing. Would it be proper to submit him to a penalty of $5,000 when he was really carrying out the instructions of his superiors? It seems to me that this is rather drastic provision.

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George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

If I had had opportunity during the last few minutes, I would have called your attention, Mr. Chairman, to the fact that there was not a quorum present. I think that we had better adjourn.

Progress reported.

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THE MILITARY SERVICE BILL.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.


On the Order being called: House again in Committee on Bill No. 75, an Act respecting Military Service.-Sir Robert Borden.


LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

In reason, I ask that the House adjourn. It is now ten minutes after twelve; we have sat on the Railway Bill since three o'clock. It is easy for hon. gentlemen-I do not mean any member of the Government; they are always busy-who have not been in the committee to come in now and wish us to go on sitting for some time. No one on this side of the House dreamed that this Bill was going on to-night in committee. I think that is absolutely unfair, and I protest most absolutely against going on.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I do not think that the Government, or any member of it, can claim that any member on this side has unduly tried to prevent the passage of this Bill through committee. The Solicitor General himself must agree that the criticism has been fair; that there has been no unreasonable criticism. It is after twelve in the morning. The leader of the Opposition and gentlemen who have taken a very active part in the discussion of this Bill are not here. So far as I know they had no knowledge or intimation that the Bill was to be taken up at this stage. It seems to me to be very unfair to ask us to take up this Bill this morning.

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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is needless for me to say that there was no intention of being unfair to the Opposition, or to any member of the Opposition. I understand that the intimation was given that the committee would sit on this Bill .and go out of committee to-night. Apparently that intimation did not reach hon. gentlemen opposite.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I never heard of it. My hon. friend (Mr. Tobin) came in about five minutes ago and said to me: do you know that the Government intends to take up the Military Service Bill to-night? I said: surely not. He said: I wa3 told so in the

lobby. I said: it cannot be possible, we have had no notice; I do not believe that the Solicitor General would do it.

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Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

I got that information from the chief whip.

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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I am sure that that information did not reach hon. gentlemen opposite. 1 simply wish to explain. As the Bill has been amended in committee, we could not get the third reading to-day without a day's notice, and it would seem to me that hon. gentlemen might, if we do not go on now, raise no objection to our going on with the third reading this afternoon. The Bill has been reprinted and is in the hands of hon. gentlemen, so that there should be no objection this afternoon to our going on to the third reading if we do not now proceed in committee, but wait for committee until this afternoon.

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George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

This is the most important Bill that has come before the Parliament during many years. Personally, I would prefer that the Bill should have a third reading to-morrow-I can only speak for myself; I have not had an opportunity of consulting with any person.

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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

You mean this afternoon.

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George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

On Thursday; I would not have any objection. I can only speak for myself, because I did not dream that the matter wouid be brought up at this stage. Personally, I would rather have the third reading on Thursday, because I have to leave on the eleven o'clock train to-night.

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July 18, 1917