July 11, 1917

LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Are there any exemptions in regard to persons called upon to act upon these local tribunals?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The measure makes no provision for such exemptions, and I cannot see; the need of such a provision in view of the authorities who appoint the tribunals. They will take care that those who should be exempted are exempted.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

In the Militia Act members of the, Privy Council, members of the Senate, and so on, are exempted, so I thought the same provision might apply here.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I do not think there will be any great rush to appoint members of the Privy Council to these tribunals, and I do not think there is any need of exemptions. The exemptions in the Militia Act are in regard to military service, and we have practically the same exemptions here. At all events, we have the exemptions which appear in the schedule.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

Will my hon. friend tell me the meaning of subsection 2, which reads:

Section 12 and subsection 2 of section 40 and the proviso to section 45 of the Militia Act shall not apply to men liable to be called out under this Act.

I have not the Militia Act here. Will my hon. friend read section 12?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Section 12 of the Militia Act reads:

Half-pay and retired officers of the regular forces shall not be required to serye in the militia in a lower grade than that of their rank in such forces.

That is rather negatived by this section.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

It does not

apply?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It does not apply. That is to say, the men cannot insist on their right. The second clause is:

No person shall be entitled to exemption unless he has, at least one month before he claims such exemption, filed with the commanding officer within the limits whereof he resides, his affidavit made before some justice of the peace, of the facts on which he rests his claim.

I really do not think that would apply anyway, as it is inconsistent with the Act, and when we were negativing we negatived the whole section. Subsection 2 of section 40 is:

No officer shall be bound to serve in the militia in a lower grade than that of the rank with which he has been retired.

That is negatived also. The proviso in section 45 is-and I will read the whole section so that the meaning of the proviso will be apparent:

The Governor in Council may make regulations, applying to officers and others, belonging to His Majesty's regular forces, and to officers of any military force of any part of His Majesty's dominions, when serving in Canada, and to officers of the militia, as to the persons to he invested as officers or otherwise with command over the militia or any part thereof, or any person belonging thereto, and as to the mode in which such command is to he exercised: Provided that command

shall not be given to any person over a person superior in rank to himself.

Wherever section 45 is applicable and consequently is included in the new Act it is only applicable without the proviso. The proviso is negatived.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

Why is the proviso negatived?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Because it is inconsistent with the spirit of the Militia Act, which says the militia authorities shall have full

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control over rank, etc. In fact, every one is brought down to the same level at the moment the Act applies to him.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Regarding the position of the conscript soldier once he is enlisted does he rank in every respect on the same footing as the volunteer, as regards promotion, pension in case of disability, pay and so on? Are they both treated on the same footing?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

As the law stands here, there is nothing to put him on any different footing.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Might I ask the reason why the provision of subsection 4 contains the words: "The reinforcements provided under this Act shall not exceed 100,000 men."

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is so that Parliament wiil be apprised of the entire scope and destiny of the Act. It was thought well that Parliament should understand from the beginning just what was the limit that might be reached under the Act it was asked to pass.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Is it to be understood that when these 100,000 men are raised Canada's military obligations in connection with the war have ceased?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Oh, no. I do not think there is any ground for that understanding. Canada will still he in the war, and very much in the war-in fact, more in the war than ever, when the 100,000 men are raised. It will be for Parliament thereafter to decide whether or not the Act should be amended.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Has any thought been given to the transferring into the Canadian service of Canadians who are in the Imperial service? I saw in the paper yester

day that a large number of Canadians had enlisted in New York for service with the Imperial troops. Has any attention been given to the idea of having all Canadians serve with the Canadian corps, instead of having them dispersed through the British regiments.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

You mean, in France?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

No, in England. There are a large number of Canadians enlisted with British regiments, and I wanted to know whether the idea of transferring all Canadians to the Canadian corps had been considered, and whether the same thing would not be done in the United States. A day or so ago one of tbie Ottawa papers published a picture, showing Canadians enlisting in New York for service with the British troops.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

As I understand

it, the hon. gentleman raises two questions, first in respect to the enlistment of British subjects and Canadians in the United States, and second as to those already enlisted in the British army being transferred to the Canadian forces. In regard bo the latter question, the matter has not had any consideration so far as I know. In connection with recruiting in the United States, when a man desires to enlist, he chooses whether he wants to go into the British army or into the Canadian army. So far, I think, most of the recruits have chosen to go with the Canadian forces. I am not informed as to the exact numbers, but the men can choose which force they will go into.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
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July 11, 1917