June 21, 1917

CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

1 would not have said so if it had not been on Hansard. The hon.

gentleman's words are capable of that interpretation, and ot no other interpretation. I know he did not use those words with the intention that that interpretation should be applied.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Thank you.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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CON

Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

He took the ground that this Bill would take men out of Alberta or of Edmonton constituency, from which enough men had already gone, his idea being to make the Bill unpopular in the constituency of Edmonton. What is the inevitable conclusion from his words? This is what he said, as reported in Unrevised Hansard, page 2520:

We have been led to believe that a conscription measure would be fair to the country, and as we have done our duty, in a measure, so it would compel the people in other parts of the country to do their duty. Now, that is the kind of conscription measure X want to see, but that is not the kind of conscription measure my hon. friend has brought down.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Hear, hear.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

He wants to compel those who have not done their duty to do it.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Hear, hear.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

What does he say on the previous page?

Given a proper measure of universal military service, and there is equality in the distribution of the burden, an equality that does not exist in the case of voluntary service.

. . . . If there is not equality of service

under the compulsory principle, then, instead of it being a democratic method of meeting a great emergency, it becomes an instrument of tyranny and unfairness in every particular.

Those -are his words: I want a conscription measure that provides for equality of service. And how? By taking those who have not enlisted voluntarily until you bring about an equality.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Hear, hear,

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

How are you going to get an equality in this country unless in addition to the 8,000 of French-Canadian extraction already enlisted in the province of Quebec we take 100,000 more?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

If it requires 100,000 men from the province of Quebec for the province of Quebec to do its share, then certainly take the 100,000, but my hon. friend does not suggest that it does require that.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Would 108,000 from

French Canada be any more proportionately than equal to the present contribution from Alberta, man for man, and how can you

get an equality unless the contributions are proportionately equal?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I could not say without a pencil and paper. When my hon. friend attempts to make it appear to this House that I said anything that could be construed as stating that all the further military requirements of Canada should be supplied (from the province of Quebec he is using language which has absolutely no foundation, and which is absurd on the face of it.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I will leave the House and the country to figure out for itself how an equality is going to be reached unless the contributions are proportionately equal.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Equality is what we want.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

That is the inevitable conclusion from his words, and I do not intend that he shall escape that conclusion. He used the words only for the purpose of currying favour in his own province.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Will the hon. member be good enough not to impute motives to other hon. members of this House?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I will not impute dishonourable motives but I have a right to impute honourable motives. There is nothing dishonourable about that.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I rise to a point of order. My point of order is that the Solicitor General, or any other hon. member of this House, must take the statements of other hon. members as they are uttered and he has no right to impute any motives.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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Arthur Meighen (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I took the statement as it was uttered. I do not want to change the statement but surely I have a right to argue from that statement what I believe to be its inevitable conclusion.

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
Subtopic:   DEBATE CONTINUED ON MOTION FOR SECOND READING.
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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

The Solicitor General entirely ignores what my hon. friend from Edmonton says he said and alleges that my hon. friend from Edmonton made a statement in order to curry favour with the district of Edmonton. I understand that is what my hon. friend complains of?

Topic:   MILITARY SERVICE ACT, 1917.
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June 21, 1917