June 6, 1917

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

This commission has not jurisdiction over that matter.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I do not think any particular body has jurisdiction.

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George William Kyte

Liberal

Mr. KYTE:

I saw a statement some time ago that certain portions of territory in the western part of Nova Scotia, for example the site of the original settlement of the-Acadians at Grand Pre, were to be taken over as a national park. Is that matter in contemplation by the Government?

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I have no official knowledge of any such action. I think the report is probably premature.

Grant In aid of Canadian general council of the Boy Scouts' Association, $5,000.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

By the Association, which has for its objects and purposes the Boy Scout movement. We pay the amount to the Association.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I think it is very large, and has grown a great deal. How large it is, I am not prepared to say.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

The grant is made to the Canadian general council of the Boy Scout Association. Is that a numerous body, and where is it located? Is it in Toronto, Montreal or Ottawa?

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I think that that item had better be allowed to stand. I apologize for not having information today. The Minister of Agriculture has just come in, and we will be glad to take up his estimates, and when we reach this item again I shall be able to explain it more fully.

Item stands.

Department of Agriculture-Patent record, $30,000.

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John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

Is this item for the

printing of those books which are distributed monthly?

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John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

I think that it would be a good idea if the ministers would cut that item in two, and only print about one-tenth the number of books at present printed. They are scattered round broadcast, and I do not suppose that one person in a hundred who receives these books ever opens them. I have been getting them for about thirty years, and they are no good to me. Anybody who wants to get the information contained in the patent record can. get it on going to the Patent branch of the Department of Agriculutre. To my mind, it is one of the most useless bit's of expenditure undertaken by the Government.

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Martin Burrell (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURRELL:

There may be something in what my hon. friend says. That idea has been advanced a good many times in the last twenty years or so, and on the other side there have been a good many arguments advanced why it should be printed, and why the circulation should be as large as it is. These books are sent, free of charge, to the members of the Senate and the House of Commons and the libraries. Sixty-six different libraries in England get them, ninety-four libraries in Canada, fifty-four in the United States. There is an exchange list of seventy-nine and a Government free list of thirty-one, and the British colonies and foreign colonies, fifty-seven, free, making altogether 381.

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Martin Burrell (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURRELL:

Twelve hundred copies per month. This amount includes all the necessary cuts, drawings, etc.

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John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

It seems to me that they are printed unreasonably often. Why could they not be printed quarterly or semiannually? It is not necessary, even for anybody who is interested in patent matters, that a list such as this should be printed every month. Twelve hundred copies a month, costing $30,000, means that we pay over $2 for each one of these books. I have been getting these books for thirteen years, and I have never had five cents of value out of them, because this is not in my line; I do not understand it; I am not interested. A great many members must be in the same position as I am. Sending it to libraries may be all right, but you might

cut the issue away down and it might he issued less frequently than monthly.

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Martin Burrell (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURRELL:

Do you suggest cutting out the copies to the members of the House and the Senate?

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John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

I would move that the members be cut off and the members of the Government also.

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June 6, 1917