May 10, 1917

LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

For how long?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

I do not know-for

several days.

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LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

Has he made any report on the matter?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

I presume he has, I am not familiar with all the reports that come into the department, as we receive them by the hundreds. I will have a special interview with him when he returns. I have a Teport here on the ooal situation and it may include Hamilton. My deputy handed it to me as I was setting out for the Council Chamber, and I have not had an opportunity of looking at it yet. We keep tatb on things.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

That is all you are doing-keeping tab.

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

You do not know what we are doing. That is the trouble with the hon. member for Pictou; it is the trouble, not only with him/but with some other hon. gentlemen opposite. They come here and make statements without having definite knowledge of the facts.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

What are you doing?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

If you will devote half an hour of your time coming to my office and looking over the reports, you will know something about what we are doing. You do not want to know what the Labour Department is doing. You want to be in a position to make charges against the Labour Department.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

You want to keep

up prices.

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

You want live grievances. Just as soon as one grievance is settled, you start to dig up another. We all know the hon. member for Pictou, and he is well known, not only in this House, but throughout the country, and we do not care very much what he says, either in this House or outside of it.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

That is childish talk.

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

That is perfectly true. We have taken up the matter of sugar refineries and we have succeeded in breaking up what we regarded as an illegal agreement existing between the manufacturer of sugar and the middleman. We unearthed one particular case where a large manufacturer of sugar had a monopoly of the whole business in two provinces and we secured original documents showing that when a certain individual wrote asking -him to send him so many carloads of sugar, the manufacturer replied, saying: " I cannot send

you any sugar; you must become a member of a certain organization, and when you /satisfy me that you are a member of that organization in good standing, then I will send you sugar." This gentleman went to the secretary of the organization and what did he find there? He fpund that he had to put up so much money and give a guarantee that he would invest $50,000, not all in sugar, but in groceries, to be put into a business that he was speaking about going into. There were only 52 men in the whole two provinces who could buy a pound of sugar from that refinery. We sent the report to the Attorney General of the pro-

vince and he said that he would consent to a prosecution. The refinery came down off its perch and said: " Tell me what you want me to do and I will do it, whatever it is." And there is no such agreement existing in those provinces to-day. That is one of several instances of what we have done. We do not contend that we have succeeded in reducing the price of anything very, considerably, but we have 'attempted to do so. We. are securing facts and we have given>

publicity to what is going on. I have great confidence in publicity. I can satisfy any man in this country that, speaking generally, with very few exceptions, no retailer of coal in Canada to-day is selling it at an exorbitant profit. ..

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LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

That refers only to coal.

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

Yes, that refers only to coal. We have made considerable investigations in regard to sugar, cold storage and canneries, but my hon. friend from West Lambton (Mr. Pardee) knows that this is a very large country and we have not a large staff in our department. I might, of course, have taken on fifty or sixty more civil servants at an expense of $100,000 or $150,000.

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LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

Even if this is such a

large country, when special facts are brought to the notice of the department, do they act upon them?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

Yes.

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LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

Why did you not act in the Hamilton case?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

We did.

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LIB

Frederick Forsyth Pardee

Liberal

Mr. PARDEE:

You did not act.

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Mr CROTHERS:

That will do now, if you please.

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May 10, 1917