May 4, 1917

CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

This Government are not playing politics; they are trying to win the war.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES MARCIL:

What does Sir Sam Hughes say?

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

What does Sir Sam Hughes say about that and about Sir George Perley?

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

We are not afraid of our record. In regard to the ex-MinisteT of Militia, hon. gentlemen opposite are very good friends of his now. How was it before he resigned 'his office? Who was it that followed the exnMinister of Militia day and night in this House and out of it with reckless statements? Hon. gentlemen' opposite are the men who did that and they know

it. I think that the ex-Minister of Militia and Defence did magnificent work in this country.

The enlistment of 400,000 men, and their equipment with everything necessary, showed the energy of General Sir Sam Hughes. We have raised an army greater than the British army at the time of the South African wax, and I admire the young men of Canada who have responded so nobly to the call fox volunteers. I have not heard hon. gentlemen opposite have the manliness to criticise the System of voluntary enlistment in the House, but I believe they criticise it outside in some parts of the country. If they do not approve of the voluntary system, why do they not move a resolution that we should have conscription? If such a resolution were moved, I imagine there are a great many hon. gentlemen opposite who would not support it; mighty few of them would be found to support it, in my opinion. But if they believe we should have conscription, we will be very glad to have them move a resolution to that effect, and, speaking for myself, I will support it.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OP THE MINISTER OP FINANCE.
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

The Government is running the country. It is for them to move the resolution, and not the Opposition.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OP THE MINISTER OP FINANCE.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LABOR:

The hon. member himself would be a first class man to move it.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OP THE MINISTER OP FINANCE.
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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

Is it not a fact that the Prime Minister of this country has declared himself since the war broke out as adverse to any such thing as conscription?

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

I understand that is the case, but that was early in the war.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

It was last year, in this House.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

I might remind the hon. member for North Cape Breton (Mr. McKenzie) and the hon. member for Pietou (Mr. Macdonald) that their leader made the statement.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

Is not my hon. friend aware that the Minister of the Interior in his advertisements in the United States stated only a month ago that this Government did not consider conscription as either advisable or necessary in this country?

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

I say that one of the most admirable things in the whole war has been the success of the voluntary system in Canada. Thousands of our young men have volunteered regardless of polities and re-

gardless of religion. They have answered the call because they were Canadians, and it makes a man proud to think of it. When I told some friends of mine in the United States how our young men were enlisting in such great numbers, they had the idea that it was compulsory, and it was a great surprise to them when I said these young men were all volunteers. Only recently Colonel Roosevelt, though in favour of conscription, pointed to the success of the voluntary system of enlistment in Canada. But perhaps the time is coming when there must be a change. The cream of our young men have been obtained )by the voluntary system, and we must have men to replace those who have fallen in the trenches, and it is questionable if the time is not fast approaching when there should be 6ome other system of raising recruits in this country. I invite hon. gentlemen opposite to move a resolution along that line if they want to help win this war. They like moving resolutions, and this would be a first-class resolution for the hon. member for North Cape Breton to move.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OP THE MINISTER OP FINANCE.
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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

If I did move a resolution involving the expenditure of money, I presume the Speaker would rule me out of order.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

That rule does not apply

to resolutions', but only to Bills.

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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

It goes further than

that.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

Perhaps the hon. gentleman would tell me if he would support a resolution of that kind.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

I will tell the hon.

member I would not.

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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

And there are a lot more sitting around him who would not.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

I am no coward, I say what I think.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
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CON

Francis Ramsey Lalor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LALOR:

I am very glad, Mr. Speaker, that all hon. gentlemen opposite are not all of the same kind. I believe there are men on the other side of the House who would support conscription. I am sure there are men over there who are sick and tired of the tirades we have in this House every day, and who have some sense of their responsibility as members of this Parliament. There is my hon. friend from Red Deer (Mr. Michael Clark), who is not in the House just now. He has three sons in the trenches. I do not agree with the free trade theories he advocates in this House,

because I am a moderate protectionist, but I think the hon. member for Red Deer is on the wrong side of the House. I think he would be in more congenial company sitting on this side, for more reasons than one. But one reason is that we are a moderate protectionist party on this side, and have been since the days of 1878. We have never changed our policy in that respect from that day to this. The national policy was inaugurated in 1878, when this country was full of soup kitchens under the administration of hon. gentlemen opposite.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OP THE MINISTER OP FINANCE.
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May 4, 1917