May 1, 1917

LIB

John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

A farmer in the West told me within the last six weeks that he sold 50,000 bushels of wheat. He went down to New York and made arrangements for shipping it across the ocean, and he said that there were hundreds and hundreds of cars standing on every siding in his part of the country, and the railroads would not take them away.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Because of the shortage of motive power and the blocking of the eastern lines and terminals. If my hon. friend desires information on that point, let him do what I did. I am not talking at random; I consulted the Chairman of the Railway Commission, and I know what the railway situation is in this country. Does my hon. friend mean to say that wheat is coming out of the Goose I.ake District to-day, and that there are not millions of bushels in the hands of the farmer that cannot be moved by reason of the blockade on our railways and the shortage of rolling stock? Let my hon. friend ask the Chairman of the Railway Commission what is the greatest need of railways to-day, and he will be told rolling stock.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

No.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I ask my hon.

friend to go and see him.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

I can only tell my hon. friend that if he travels along the roads in the west he will find hundreds and thousands of cars standing idle on the tracks. It is not a shortage of rolling stock.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

What is my

argument? I am showing that the railway situation has materially changed since the *war. .

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

The trouble is the want of elevators at the Atlantic terminals. The St. John elevators were burnt three years ago, and have not been rebuilt yet.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

So on all grounds the action of the Government was the right and proper course to take, having regard to the conditions which existed at that time. My hon. friend has a further, criticism. He says: Why did you act under the War Measures Act? Why didn't you come down to Parliament and make these changes in your Budget? I think this Budget debate itself is a sufficient answer to that. How long will it be before this debate will close and before the measures which are now before the House will be enacted into law by this House and by the Senate? How long does it take to have Budiget proposals translated into legislation? They go into effect immediately, so far as the Customs Department is concerned, but as a matter of fact they do not become law until the legislation is passed by this House and by the Senate and the Governor General has given his consent.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

They go into practical

effect when the Budget speech is made.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

They go into

practical effect, but they would not meet the conditions of the tariff of another country. Hon. gentlemen say that we should not have taken this step under the War Measures Act. They say we should have included this free wheat measure in the Budget, and debated it for a month or six weeks, and two months from now the proposals would be enacted into law. Supposing we had done that? It would mean that the farmer of the West would have been deprived all that time of ten cents a bushel in respect of the low grade wheat he exported to the United States. I believe myself that in a clear ease, where you are certain as to the propriety of what you are doing, what is called fer is action, if you have the power to take that action. My hon. friend's criticism that this action should lhave not have been taken under the 60

War Measures Act is one that I am sure will not appeal to the people of the West. What the people of the West want in this particular situation is a market for their low grade wheat.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF:

A permanent market.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

That is not an absolute qualification.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

They both put forward the argument, "Under the War Measures Act you have taken off the duties, but those duties are merely suspended, and as soon as the war is over they will jump back again."

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

Hear, hear.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

That is also what my hon. friend from St. John says.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

That is what the law says.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

But that is not what the Department of Justice says, and the Department of Justice is right. There has been presented to this House the opinion of the Deputy Minister of Justice, a man who has absolutely no political reason for misstating the law or the facts, or for

coming to any particular conclusion as opposed to any other conclusion. He is there to advise Liberal Governments and Conservative Governments alike. He is a good counsel, a sound lawyer. And what does he say? He says, as any lawyer who looks at it from a legal standpoint would he bound to say: you have taken the duties off wheat, wheat flour and semolina, and those duties are permanently taken off until fresh duties are imposed by or under the authority of Parliament. That is what he advises the Government, and that is what the Government believes has been done.

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

Will the hon. minister undertake to say that the Deputy Minister of Justice expresses the opinion that the Government could not, by Order in Council, during the pendency of the war, transfer these articles hack to where they were before?

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

No, I do not.

Mr. 'PUGSLEY: How, then, does it become permanent?

Topic:   THE POTATO SUPPLY.
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET.
Sub-subtopic:   DEBATE ON ANNUAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
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May 1, 1917