April 30, 1917

LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

Improperly from my

standpoint.

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Will my hon. friend correct me?

Mr.. GRAHAM: Put it the reverse way.

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

My hon. friend said in substance: You have vacancies in the House of Commons; you do not fill these; but you do fill the vacancies in the Senate, or you are unwilling to say you will not fill them.

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LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

That is better.

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

It seems to me that there is a perfectly clear distinction for precisely the same reason that the extension of Parliament was granted. Why was the extension of Parliament granted? Was it because there was any thought of party advantage or disadvantage? Not by any means. The extension was granted because it was the consensus of opinion 59J

in this House and in this country that it woultj be a monstrous thing to hold a general election in Canada in time of war.

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LIB

George Perry Graham

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

Notwithstanding the ballots?

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

That was the

reason for extending the life of Parliament.

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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

Who ever said it would be a monstrous thing?

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

If my hon. friend thinks that the term monstrous is not strong enough, then if he rises to his feet I know his power of language and he will be able to employ a term which will express the proper degree of turpitude of such a suggestion.

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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

It is too strong altogether.

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Last year we had the greatest war in the history of the world, progressing upon a scale unparalleled in human history. We had our soldiers going overseas; we had them by tens of thousands at the front. We had the papers filled, as they are to-day, with lists of casualties; we had homes darkened with sorrow, and hearts broken with grief. We had this country carrying a burden of care such as never before

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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

Even including this

Government.

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

The Prime Minister then came down to this House and said: Our view is that there should be an extension of the life of Parliament. That was acquiesced in by the Opposition. Why? We all realized the situation that would result from a general election at that time. Here were ministers of the Crown engaged practically day and night in the discharge of the onerous duties devolving upon them in this war.

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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

The Minister of Labour-

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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

The Minister of Labour is doing his part. [DOT]

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

The Minister of Labour has exceedingly heavy duties devolving upon him in connection with this war. How it would be possible to carry on a general election with the duties, urgent, immediate, and all-important, devolving upon ministers of the Crown at the time an extension was granted, I think no one can conceive. Those were the grounds,

and in addition to those grounds the further ground of the public turmoil and the excitement that would take place over this country and the diversion of the activities of the people from the war, the all-important question of the hour, to the hustings and an election campaign, with the ensuing disturbance, not to say the ill-will that might result. All those considerations apply to contested elections to the House of Commons because it is the people's Chamber, but not at all to appointments to the Senate. The Government of the day is empowered, authorized and obligated under the constitution to fill vacancies in the Senate, and that is what this Government has been doing. It is one of the ordinary duties devolving upon Government, and the Government is discharging it, and would not, I think, be justified in undertaking to refrain from discharging it. The mere fact that some party advantage may accrue to this side or some disadvantage to the other side is at this time of no national significance. If hon. gentlemen opposite had chanced to be in power when the war broke out, an extension would have been granted in the same way, and they would have gone ahead exercising the powers of Government, including the power of making appointments to the Senate. It chanced * that this Government was in at the time war broke out, and we proceeded and have beein proceeding with out daiities, .aamryfflng on the affairs of tire country, including the prosecution of the war, the making of appointments, and all other duties devolving upon us. So that, analyzing this down (to (the very last ajniailyeiiis., my toon friend s only grievance is molt, ittoait itbe public dinlter-leat lie in .any way infringed, on, molt ittoait here is any detriment to any province or any section of Canada entitled to senatorial representation, but simply this: you should not make these appointments because you would probably make them from those who are friendly to the Government and not friendly to us. I do not believe that the public are very much interested in that question at this time. They would probably say: Well, the Conservative Government is in power; if the Liberal Government had been in power they would have continued to carry on the business of government inclusive of making appointments to the Senate. But there is a very clear distinction when it comes to holding election campaigns throughout the country in time of war, and that is the distinction which I believe the public will rsir Thomas White.]

make. I have been unable to discover any reason whatever, except from a purely party standpoint and the consideration of alleged party advantage, why this resolution should be adopted by the House.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. E. M. MACDONALD (Pictou):

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LIB

Michael Clark

Liberal

Mr. MICHAEL CLARK:

That was in 1915.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

That was in April, 1915.

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LIB

William Pugsley

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY:

Wild applause from the Government benches.

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April 30, 1917