I do not know that he does. In some ways they give a splendid freight service, but in view of the money invested and of the opportunities they have had in the United States, it has been an inferior service. I would remind my hon. friend that before many years he will see public ownership of railways coming in the United States. I have myself' put on record and I intend to keep it before the people of this country that the opportunity came here to-day for public ownership of at least one transcontinental system. Again I say that this administration and the Conservative party are on record as saying that public ownership of the Grand Trunk Pacific would have been better for this country than the privately owned system which was imposed upon the country by the Liberal party. The two parties were in issue on that question; now the opportunity has come and it may never come again. Things that may happen in connection with the coming election may deprive them of the opportunity that they have here to-day. But as a party they are on record as saying that the Grand Trunk Pacific should
be publicly owned and administered and that this system is preferable to the system which is shown to have failed. That system has failed; the documents making the confession are on record and now, I say, is the time to adopt the new and better system. If the argument of the member for Edmonton is good-the same may be said of the remarks of other hon. gentlemen who have spoken here to-day-we ought to give away the Intercolonial railway; we ought to get rid of it, bag and baggage, as a thing that the state should not have. I have heard these arguments time after time.