May 12, 1916

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN:

I do not know that he does. In some ways they give a splendid freight service, but in view of the money invested and of the opportunities they have had in the United States, it has been an inferior service. I would remind my hon. friend that before many years he will see public ownership of railways coming in the United States. I have myself' put on record and I intend to keep it before the people of this country that the opportunity came here to-day for public ownership of at least one transcontinental system. Again I say that this administration and the Conservative party are on record as saying that public ownership of the Grand Trunk Pacific would have been better for this country than the privately owned system which was imposed upon the country by the Liberal party. The two parties were in issue on that question; now the opportunity has come and it may never come again. Things that may happen in connection with the coming election may deprive them of the opportunity that they have here to-day. But as a party they are on record as saying that the Grand Trunk Pacific should

be publicly owned and administered and that this system is preferable to the system which is shown to have failed. That system has failed; the documents making the confession are on record and now, I say, is the time to adopt the new and better system. If the argument of the member for Edmonton is good-the same may be said of the remarks of other hon. gentlemen who have spoken here to-day-we ought to give away the Intercolonial railway; we ought to get rid of it, bag and baggage, as a thing that the state should not have. I have heard these arguments time after time.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN:

No, but the hon. gentleman would'like to see it run in a different way. His hopes lie in private administration.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN:

Well, as to private administration of railroads in competition we have had that and we are sick of it. We have put millions of money into that system and what have we got for it? Nothing. We financed them right to the hilt, and they are here again asking us to continue financing them. Moreover, they want us to help them over this period when public ownership is likely to be accomplished. All we are asked to do is to help them over this time of trial and give them another opportunity to attempt to succeed in their enterprises. The matter rests with this Parliament, and I am convinced that when the people hear of these facts it will be the general opinion that the opportunity came tor Parliament in this year to acquire at least one Transcontinental road and we did not take advantage of it.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

We have had a very interesting discussion, but we were here late last night and until rather early this morning. I would suggest that the Grand Trunk Pacific item be allowed to pass, and to-morrow we will take up the Canadian Northern railway item. Some other items have not yet been passed and we might make some progress with them.

Miscellaneous printing, $100,000.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Miscellaneous

printing.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I understand from the Assistant's King's Printer, whom I met the other day, that only a few members receive copies of the evidence taken before the Royal Commission. It seems to me that the evidence should be distributed to all members of the House. I do not complain myself, because I receive copies of the evidence.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I would suggest that my hon. friend raise the question tomorrow, when the Prime Minister is here, I have no information as to the matter.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I wish to refer to a matter which is not specifically mentioned in this item, but which relates to the Houso of Commons.' I would first of all thank the Government for making provision for the payment of the indemnity of the hon. member for Beauoe (Mr. Beland). Last year the gentleman who manages the affairs at home of that hon. gentleman, his brother-in-law, suggested to me that the indemnity be deposited at the bank where the hon. member for Beauce generally deposited his money. I wrote to the accountant of the House of Commons, and he was willing to do so, but he explained that he had to get the permission of the Government, through the Minister of Finance or the Auditor General, I think. The reason for the request was that the hon. member (Mr. Beland) might get the benefit of the accruing interest during his detention in Germany. I would ask the Minister of Finance to see that arrangements are made to transfer the indemnity from the treasury to the bank.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Was it done last

year? '

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

My hon. friend might send me the name of the bank.

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

I need not say with what great pleasure we will do anything on behalf of the hon. member for Beauce, f6r whom we all have so much admiration, and whose absence we all so much regret.

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Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

What provision is made with regard to the payment of the

indemnity to members who are on active service, at home or abroad?

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William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir THOMAS WHITE:

Provision has been made in the Supplementary Estimates for the eases of members on active service.

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May 12, 1916