March 27, 1915

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I do not think I have the statement, but it was from natural causes.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

It was never claimed that he had contracted the disease on the boat. Immediately after his death, according to the files, his sister, Mrs. Margaret Richard, of Port Felix, was communicated with to ascertain the desire of his relatives in regard to the disposition of his remains. No reply was received from Mrs. Richard, and after two days the body was buried. It appears from what my hon. friend says that on the 22nd instant his sister endeavoured to communicate with the captain of the Canada-

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

-on the 23rd, the day after his death, that this telegram went to the dockyard, that they said that the Canada was not in Halifax but in Shelburne, that they communicated with Shelburne and found that the Canada was not there but that she was at sea and that this message was not delivered until the 27th. The message, that we believe is the message that was received, bears date the 27th. That is the message on the files.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The telegram bears date

the 27th. My hon. friend says it was sent cn the 23rd, and it would certainly appear from the statement he has read from the telegraph company as if undoubtedly Mrs. Richard had sent the telegram on the 23rd.

I am not disputing that fact at all; but I would say that in some way or other this message was sent back and forth to different places, and when it was sent to Halifax, the captain of the Canada was not there. It bears the date of the 27th. That, however, does not affect the merits of the case in any way.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Yes, and we have a copy of it on our file. That is the statement of Mr. Stewart in regard to the matter. It does not make any difference. The message was not delivered until the 27th, and on that date Mr. Richard had been buried for some days, and it was impossible to send his body down to Nova Scotia for interment. The message was received by the captain of the Canada only on the 27th. Mrs. Richard tried to communicate at an earlier date, but unfortunately the message was not delivered by any one whatever to Mr. Stewart or any one in the department. The Canada was at sea, and the message could not be delivered until she came into port.

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John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

A message was sent to Mr. Ower on the 23rd. My hon. friend will remember that one of the messages sent to Mrs. Richard instructed her to communicate with Dr. Ower in Montreal. She did so, and that ought to have been sufficient, even if the captain of the Canada did not receive the message.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The information given me by my officials is that Dr. Ower never received that message.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

We knew nothing about it in my department in any way. We never heard of his having received it. Had that message come to the attention of the marine authorities, they, of course, would have forwarded Richard's body to Nova Scotia, where it was to be buried. That would have been the humane and proper thing to have done, and the Marine and Fisheries Department would certainly have sent the body of a man dying in the Government service forward at the expense of the department.

It appears there was a boy whom Richard supported. Some time after Richard's death, an application was received by the department for assisting and caring for this boy. It did not appear clear what the relationship

was, and Admiral Kings mi 11 entered into communication on the subject with Captain Stewart of the Canada, and he received a personal reply from Captain Stewart based on the statement, he said, of E. Richard, cousin of the deceased, stating that the boy was a nephew of the deceased and that his father was alive and well able to take care of him, and that he did not -see why Mrs. Richard should ask for assistance. That information was in the department at the time the return was brought down in this House on the 9th of February of last year. On further inquiry by the department, a letter was received on June 22 from Mr. Richard addressed to the minister, .stating -that this boy was no relation whatever of LeBlanc. but that as he was left destitute LeBlanc had taken care of him. LeBlanc died suddenly after having been in the employ of the department only a few months. Under those circumstances, I would ask my hon. friend if he thinks the country should make a grant for that boy. He was no relation to the man who died. The man who took care of him did so out of the kindness of his heart. With all sympathy for the boy under the circumstances- ,

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John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

The boy was adopted in a formal manner by Joseph LeBlanc, Remie's brother, and when Remie died there was no one to take cafe of the boy, and Joseph took charge of him in place of his brother.

Mr. HAZEN-: Under those circumstances it would be carrying the matter pretty far if the Government had to take care of this boy. If LeBlanc had been in the service of the Government for a great many years and was taking care of this boy, something might have been done; but cases occur practically every year in the Government service of a man employed in the Government service dying and leaving dependents upon him. I can hardly imagine a case where we would not be obliged to make provision for the relatives, if we were obliged to do so in this case. We naturally feel all possible sympathy for a boy left under those circumstances. Personally we would be disposed to contribute to his support or to help him in some way; but does my hon. friend think that Government assistance ought to be -carried to the extent that he now suggests it should be, and that, if a sailor upon a Government ship dies leaving some one

dependent upon him, if that sailor has been in the Government employ only a short time and dies through natural causes and not in consequence of his duty to the Government, the Government should make provision for the dependent? With every possible sympathy for the woman and the boy, I do not think it is a case where I should recommend to Parliament that a grant be made for his support.

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John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

The principal reason I had for referring again to the matter was to clear up the mistakes of last year. There was a feeling of unfairness and injustice amongst the relatives of Jos. LeBlanc, that the matter had not been stated correctly in this House.

Fisheries-to provide for the maintenance of experimental work for the reduction of dogfish, |60,000.

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Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Has the minister been successful yet in arranging for a test case with the Government of the province of Quebec regarding fisheries?

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Correspondence upon that subject is now being carried on between the Attorney General's Department in Quebec and the Department of Justice here. I have not seen the Department of Justice for the last few days. I was in hopes that an arrangement was about to be reached.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Yes, if an arrangement is come to, to have the matter finally settled by the courts.

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March 27, 1915