March 27, 1915

CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Yes.

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

The reason I press this

point is that I have seen an article in Harper's magazine, which I can only construe

as reflecting seriously upon this Government, for not taking more active measures looking to the relief of Stefansson and of those parties who have not been heard from since they left the Karluk.

I do not wish to unduly criticise, hut I must say that, taking the facts that have been presented to us from time to time by the minister, reading the accounts I have seen in the newspapers and reading this article by a friend of Stefansson-

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Is that McConnell?

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

I think so-I am bound to say that the facts do not reflect any credit upon Canada or upon the Government. This expedition was sent out on the responsibility of the Government of Canada, and it is presumed that, it was intended to serve a useful purpose. The leader of the expedition has some reputation in that line. It has been usual under such circumstances by the Governments of other countries to take more notice of the misfortunes that have happened to their explorers than has been taken in this case. It may be that the Government is misjudged. I am not concerned so much about that, but the reflections that have appeared are reflections upon Canada as a whole. If the minister has any information that he can give to this House as to greater activity, on the part of the Government in seeking to relieve the situation of these explorers, he would certainly be very well advised to place it before khe House. Not to speak too strongly, it seems to me that there has been a very cold-blooded view taken of the case, and I think it would be entirely creditable to the country, as well as to the Government, if some more active measures than have been taken in the past were taken on the direct responsibility of the Government looking to the relief of these people.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

This matter has been very carefully considered, and everything has been done up to the present time that can be done. It was considered by officials of the department and by many scientific men, knowing to a considerable extent the conditions that prevail there, and they think that everything has been done that can be dpne. I know there was something in an American paper, and I know a gentleman came here who wanted us to undertake an expedition by means of aeroplanes that would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. The proposition was carefully considered by the department, and the department believed there was nothing practical

about it, and that no good could result from it, and they declined it. It was after this that we saw these criticisms to which the hon. gentleman has referred. The officials thought that an expedition to go out with aeroplanes to search in the Arctic for Stefansson was absolutely impracticable, and was not one that would give any good results. That is the only proposition that has been made. We considered everything we could do. We are just as anxious as my hon. friend or anybody else to do everything we can for these unfortunate men. Even if Stefansson is lost, which I am afraid is the case, we would like to make a search to definitely ascertain that fact. We have three vessels up there, there are other vessels which know everything about it and I am satisfied that everything is being done that could be done in connection with the matter. It was considered with the greatest possible care, and the seriousness of the situation appeared to everybody. It was considered not only by the deputy minister but by other officials in connection with the department, and the conclusion they came to was that everything that possibly could be done of a practical character has been done in connection with the matter.

Rewards for saving- life, including lifesaving stations, $125,400.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

This is a transfer. The lifesaving stations have been placed under the control of the Naval Service Department. This vote used to appear in the Marine Estimates. It is really no addition to the Estimates.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Exactly the same.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Under this vote $17,200 is spent in British Columbia and $25,500 in Ontario, $10,000 in New Brunswick, $26,600 in Nova Scotia, $2,600 in Prince Edward Island, and, on general account, $6,500. That is for maintenance. A new building is being erected at Point Pelee, Ontario, costing $10,500. There is a general vote for new -boats, and repairs to buildings of $30,000, making the total $125,400. The stations in Nova Scotia are Bakers Cove, Blanche, Clark Harbour, Canso, Devil Island, Port Mouton, Scattari, Seal Island, St. Paul Island, Whitehead, Sable Island, Cheticamp, and Bay View. Some are permanent and some volunteer stations. The 103

stations, in New Brunswick are at Little Wood Island, Richibucto, Port Escuminac and Cape Tormentine.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

A permanent station i3 where the men are there permanently, ready at a moment's notice to go out to sea.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Paid for the season during which they are there. A volunteer station is a station where men living in the neighbourhood pursue their ordinary avocations and when a wreck occurs they go and man the lifeboats. They are not paid so much a day, but for the number of drills they do during the season.

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LIB

Alexander William Chisholm

Liberal

Mr. A. W. CHISHOLM:

Have any new buildings been erected at Cheticamp during the last season? "

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

There is one being built now.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I understand it is a very small building, costing with the land $425.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

William AuCoin.

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March 27, 1915