March 18, 1915

LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

The minister states that this policy was inaugurated some years ago by a former Government to assist those people in western Canada who were homesteaders and who did not own their farms. He is following that up by assisting, not only homesteaders, but people in the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan who own their land. On what principle does the minister assist a person in the province of Saskatchewan who owns his land, and whose crop has been hailed or who has lost his crop by drouth, and refuses to assist a person in the province of Quebec who owns his land and who has also been hailed out and has no seed grain?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

That question was discussed a few days ago by hon. members from the West, when the hon. member was present, and the Minister of the Interior answered that question and gave the reason why. In the West the homesteaders are all newcomers; they have just received their patents, and the number is small.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

A few thousand.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

Not very many in that particular district. If the hon. member is here to-morrow, I would like him to ask the Minister of Interior for the reason. The matter comes under his department. I feel that I am not justified in speaking for the Minister of Agriculture on a matter of this kind, because I am only acting temporarily.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I will not press the matter further.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE:

The provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta passed laws giving the Government the prior right on mortgages in cases where it supplied seed grain.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

They were asked to pass those law's. I have not heard that they have passed them.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SHARPE:

Yes, they have passed them.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

My first duty to my electors was to approach this Government, and I did so. ,

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

And you have not sue-ceeded.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

I do not know. The minister has not said " no " yet. I may say that I wrote to my colleague in the local House and he has a copy of the petition,.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

How long ago is it since you wrote to him?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

I did not mention any

(politics; I did not say that the people were Conservatives or Liberals. I am not speaking for the Liberals of the township of Cleveland alone, I am speaking for all the people who have lost their crops through the storms which passed-over that township in August last.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

No one said that you mentioned any politics.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

The hon. minister tried to make out a case against me.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Customs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. REID:

No.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

The hon. minister said that in those provinces which he is helping, the land belongs to this Government. You must not compare the hardships of the earlier settlers in Ontario and Quebec who entered wooded land and had to clear it with the much happier position of the 'homesteaders on the western prairies, who simply had to plough the prairies and gather their crop. The pioneer settlers in the township of Cleveland had to go in there when there were no roads and no bridges, and they had to clear the land and spend $25 or $30 an acre in doing the work. They could not raise enough to keep them in those early days. They had to cut down the trees and burn and pull out the stumps. After doing all that work, they come to this Government for this assistance, and all the answer I get from the minister is that this Government does not ow'e anything to the people of Quebec. I am surprised that the hon. minister takes that stand. I hope the Hon. Walter Mitchell, who represents Richmond in the Provincial House, will have

more success with his Government than I have had with the Dominion Government.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS:

I am sure the hon. .member has served the purpose for which he rose. He has represented his constituency and he has placed on Hansard his zeal in their behalf. If the principle he advocated were followed out by this Gov-eminent, every man from one end of Canada to the other who met with any loss, for instance, if his barns were burned down, would have a claim on this Government for assistance.

The case of Quebec or Ontario is different from that of the western provinces. In the West there was a general drouth affecting large sections of the country and people who had been in that country only a comparatively short time were absolutely dependent upon one thing, namely, upon the crop in the ground, which on account of the drouth realized absolutely nothing. That is not the case in Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick. In all those older provinces there is mixed farming and not simply the one crop of oats or' wheat on which the farmers are absolutely and wholly dependent. If the hon. member wants to be fair, he will admit that. Is he prepared to say from his place in the House now that he would uphold this or any other Government in acceding to the request of farmers in the older provinces for assistance every time they lost their crops through drouth or hail or some other cause? The hon. member was presented with a petition from his constituents as representing that county asking him to do two things, namely, to do a certain thing so far as this Government was concerned, and to do another thing so far as the Quebec Government was concerned. What did he do? He got the petition on the 2nd of February making the two requests. He comes here and finds fault with this' Government in very loud terms. He chastises this Government for lack of interest in the farmers of the province of Quebec. Every word he has said in censure of this Government can be applied to his own Government, in the province of Quebec. His words of censure also reflect back upon himself, because he has carried out only a part of the request made by the petitioners, that is, to apply to this Government. His first duty was to apply to the Provincial Government. He left that to a later date, because it would not serve his purpose, which was to make the application here. He is better pleased because it has been refused, because it places him in a position

of appearing before the people of the township as their champion and as a man ready to fight for their rights.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Edmund William Tobin

Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

I do not think the hon. member is fair when he says my first duty was to write to the provincial government.

I got that petition. There was a copy sent to the member for the county of Richmond in the provincial government, and I also wrote to him. What was I to do? Was it not my duty, representing the county of Richmond and Wolfe in this House, to address myself to this Government?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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CON

William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE:

Have the provincial government decided to do anything?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE TARIFF.
Subtopic:   CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT.
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March 18, 1915