March 9, 1915

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

Perhaps I had better qualify my statement. The hon. gentleman objected to the expenditure provided for the Hudson Bay railway this year.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

He advised the Government to cut the $5,000,000 estimate down to $1,000,000. His friend behind him went one better and said:

The first item X am going to speak about is the expenditure on the Hudson Bay railway I know that my hon. friends on this side of the House promised to build that railway, but 1 have come to the conclusion, or almost come to the conclusion, that political parties are justified in certain instances In not keeping promises which they should never have made.

This kind of reasoning is exactly what caused this war that is going on today. My hon. friends /while on this side of the House had this virtue, that while they promised to start the Hudson Bay railway they never did. They sent out surveyors and got reports on the road which, however, did not assist the (late Government in keeping its pledge to complete this road. But the fact is that they did not have cour-rage enough or honesty of purpose enough to implement the pledges they had given to the people because they had pledged themselves in 1908 that if they were returned to

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power the farmers of the Northwest could take their grain to the Hudson bay ports within three years. That was a distinct pledge given to the people of the West, and I say they did not have honesty or fairness enough to implement that pledge. My hon. friend says they did not start the building of the road; but they did start to build a bridge across the Saskatchewan which cost a large amount of money, and the road was in that condition when the Conservative party came into power. I shall quote what the hon. gentleman did say, I want to be fair:

When we come to the Hudson Bay railway and the terminals at Port Nelson, while I have always been in favour of the construction of that railway, yet we ought to.pause, and instead of proposing to expend, as the Government is doing, $5,000,000 during this year on that railway and terminals, the Government, in fairness to the people of Canada, ought to cut that amount down to the sum of not more than $1,000,000.

That is his proposition. But I find that the hon. member for North Oxford was a little stronger. When Mr. Sharpe asked: " Did they not let the first contract?" my hon. friend from North Oxford said:

Not that I know of. At any rate did not build any of the road. The Government are asking this year for a vote of $5,500,000 for the Hudson Bay railway. The hon. member for St. John (Mr. Pugsley) the other evening said that that could be cut down to $1,000,000 without hurting anybody. I say it could be absolutely wiped out, and that if the Government of the day would "pull up the rails and sell them to somebody else for whatever they would bring, they would earn the lasting gratitude of the people of this country. In my judgment the Hudson Bay railway has no more chance of earning money than Stefansson would have if he built a railway upon one of those islands where he is lost. They do say that there are some fish in Hudson bay.

This, Mr. Speaker, coming from a man who occupies the prominent position in his party that my hon. friend does, the man who was sent to Ontario during the reciprocity pact discussion to tell the manufacturers that they had nothing to fear- " We do not intend to reduce the duties, you are all right ''-sent there by his leader, a man chosen for the most important committees in the House, I say the hon. gentleman must have been-

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

Would my hon. friend

repeat what he said about my being sent to tell the people in Ontario. I do not take back anything I said about the Hudson Bay railway.

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George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

I am glad you do not.

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

But I want to know what the hon. gentleman says about my having been sent to tell the people of Ontario. Just repeat that.

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George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

What I said was that during the discussion in this House, as every bon. gentleman remembers, the hon. gentleman had been in Ontario, in his own constituency, I think, and he told the manufacturers that they had nothing to fear.

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

That is not what you said. I beg your pardon, Mr. Speaker. You said that I was sent by somebody. Now, who sent me ?

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Thomas Simpson Sproule (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

' Mr. BRADBURY: I will tell the hon. gentleman before I get through. The hon. gentleman stated to these people, to the manufacturers, that they had nothing to fear. He said: " The present Government, if reciprocity comes into force, are not going to lower the duties." When these words were read by an hon. member to the Tight hon. gentleman who now leads the Opposition in this House, then the leader of the Government, and the right hon. gentleman was asked if the hon. member for Oxford had been authorized to do this, the answer was that he was only speaking or only announcing the policy of his party.

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

The hon. gentleman is only quibbling. I asked him a straight question. He said a few moments ago I was sent by somebody. Now, why don't you repeat what you said and not try to quibble P

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Edward Walter Nesbitt

Liberal

Mr. NESBITT:

You have talked long enough without taking up any more time. Why don't you state what you said ? You know it was not true.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

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Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER:

The truth cuts.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member for Selkirk has the floor and is entitled to a hearing and attention.

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George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

In connection with the building of the Hudson Bay railway and in connection with the position that the hon. gentlemen on the other side of the House seem to. take through their quasi-leader from Oxforct, I want to say that there is not one man in the West who dares enunciate this doctrine west 501

of the lakes, not one. I want to say that the Hudson Bay railway was promised by the Liberal party. In 1908 the present leader of the Opposition gave the people of the West to understand that, if his party was returned to power, the Hudson Bay railway would be completed within two or three years at the most, that the grain from the West could then be taken over that road to the markets of the world. The conduct of the Liberal party with respect to this railway is just in keeping with their attitude on every great question that affects the people of this country. They are one thing in one province and another thing in another province; one thing with one class of people and another thing with another class. It is a double-faced policy, and I might say a double-barrelled policy, which will affect some hon. gentlemen opposite who come from the West in a manner that will not be satisfactory to them.

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George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

My hon. friend will have his own troubles. He will have lots to worry about without my worrying for him.

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March 9, 1915