June 2, 1914

LIB

Hugh Guthrie

Liberal

Mr. GUTHRIE:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Lincoln. I would have voted for the amendment.

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CON

Martin Burrell (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURRELL:

I am paired with the

lion, member for Strathcona. I would have voted against the amendment.

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LIB

Francis N. McCrea

Liberal

Mr. McCREA:

I am paired with the hon. member for Lanark. I would have voted for the amendment.

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CON

Edmund James Bristol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRISTOL:

I am paired with the

hon. member for St. Lawrence. I would have voted against the amendment.

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LIB

William F. Carroll

Liberal

Mr. CARROLL:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Kings, N.S. I would have voted for the amendment.

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LIB

George William Kyte

Liberal

Mr. KYTE:

I am paired with the hon.

member for St. Antoine. I would have voted for the amendment.

[Sir Wilfrid Laurier.)

Mr. WM. CHISHOLM: I am paired with the hon. member for Annapolis. I would have voted for the amendment.

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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister Without Portfolio)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KEMP:

I am paired with the hon.

member for Huntingdon. I would have voted against the amendment.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER:

I am paired with the

bon. member for Queens and Sunbury. I would have voted against the amendment.

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CON

George Henry Barnard

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARNARD:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Saskatoon. I would have voted against the amendment.

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CON

Duncan Orestes Alguire

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ALGUIRE:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Glengarry. I would have voted against the amendment.

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LIB

William Frederic Kay

Liberal

Mr. KAY:

I am paired with the hon.

member for Brome. I would have voted for the amendment.

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LIB

Pius Michaud

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Kent, N.B. I would have voted for the amendment.

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CON

William Thomas White (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. T. WHITE:

I am paired with

the hon. member for Westmorland. I would have voted against the amendment.

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CON

Louis Coderre (Minister of Mines; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CODERRE:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Three Rivers. I would have voted against the amendmnt.

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CON

Thomas Beattie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEATTIE:

I am paired with the

hon. member for Montcalm: I would have voted against the amendment.

Amendment (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) negatived.

Mr. VERVILLE moved in amendment, seconded by Mr. Carroll:

That the said Bill he not now read a third time but that it be referred to a Committee of the Whole with instruction that they have power to amend the same by providing that the Act shall come into force by proclamation of His Royal Highness the Governor General, which may be issued when Mackenzie and Mann Company, Limited, who are the owners of coal mines in the Island of Vancouver, shall have agreed to a board of conciliation, as requested by the operatives of the said mines.

He said: In support of my amendment 1 shall be very brief. In the discussion we had in the House some time ago, and in the return presented to the House, it was admitted that it was almost impossible for the Government to compel Mackenzie, Mann and Company to accept a board of conciliation. It was proved by the return, and in the agreement -at that time, and admitted by the Minister of Labour, that it was impossible to get the opposing parties

together. It was proved, by the return that the men were largely favourable to having a board of conciliation, and it seems to me at the present time that we have the power in our hands, and it is the right time, to force Mackenzie, Mann and Company, who are anxious to receive the guarantee of this amount of money, to accept a board of conciliation. My amendment does not say that the strike should be settled, because I do not believe it is within the jurisdiction of the Government or of this House to say that a strike should be settled. At the same time we should force, whenever we have occasion to do it, those who may be interested to agree to conciliation. I say that, because any one who wants a guarantee of public money should abide by the laws of the country. In the past, we have seen the Grand Trunk and the Grand Trunk Pacific having to accept the awards of boards of conciliation; and I should have the support of the Minister of Labour because I have heard him make such statements in this House time and again, and I know he has forced the Grand Trunk to abide by the decision rendered by a board of conciliation. At this stage, Mr. Speaker, the strike which is still on in Vancouver island, is too costly for. the country. I could not get the amount it has cost the Government, because I had a question on the Order Paper, which has been made an order of the House, and the information has not yet come down; but we can imagine that it has cost probably one quarter or half a million dollars so far to have the militia guarding the mines. It seems to me at the present time it would be a great saving to the country to force the owners to have a conciliation board, so as to enable not only the members of this House but also the public to understand the real situation existing on Vancouver island.

The House will agree with me that my amendment is strictly on conciliation grounds, and I do not see why I should not, and I hope I will, receive the approval of both sides of the House on this question. There is no harm whatever in forcing Mackenzie and Mann to accept a board of conciliation, so as to give an opportunity during the recess of Parliament to find out the exact condition of affairs, because in the return we have had we have seen only one side of the question, and it has been explained in another way by the other side. By this resolution it is particularly stated that this principle not only applies to the Canadian

Northern railway, but should apply to every railway company when it makes a demand for assistance. It is outside the jurisdiction of the Government to state plainly that strikes must be settled, because the trouble may come from one side or the other; but we have a law on the statute-books which has worked fairly well in a good many cases, and at the present time I do not see why we should not force Mackenzie and Mann to have a board of conciliation. That is the reason I move this amendment.

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CON

Herbert Sylvester Clements

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLEMENTS:

Is the hon. member

for Maisonneuve in a position to state that Mackenzie and Mann are the owners of these mines on Vancouver island?

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Alphonse Verville

Labour

Mr. VERVILLE:

My amendment states

plainly some mines; it does not say all the mines. I am told that Mackenzie and Mann are the owners of some of the mines on Vancouver island.

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CON

Herbert Sylvester Clements

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLEMENTS:

Do they control any

single mine on Vancouver Island?

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LAB

Alphonse Verville

Labour

Mr. VERVILLE:

I cannot say for certain, but I am told that the Canadian Collieries are controlled by Mackenzie and Mann, and until such time as it is proved to the contrary, I will stick to that statement.

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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CURRIE:

If the hon. member is not in a position to state that Mackenzie and Mann have any interest in any mine in Vancouver, I ask if this amendment is in. order?

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June 2, 1914