May 12, 1914

LIB

William Erskine Knowles

Liberal

Mr. KNOWLES:

The section which, of course, is really an amendment to the be-gining of section 195, and which is called 194a, provides that:

The provisions of sections 195 to 207, both inclusive, shall not apply to elevators licensed as terminal elevators.

I suppose the minister intends to make the elevators at Moosejaw and Saskatoon terminal elevators under a declaration by Order in Council?

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. G. E. FOSTER:

They must be terminal elevators.

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LIB

William Erskine Knowles

Liberal

Mr. KNOWLES:

In paragraph y of the

interpretation section it is provided that:

Terminal elevator includes every elevator or warehouse which receives or ships grain and is located at any point declared by the Governor in Council to be a terminal.

Under this section 3 there is nothing to prevent every elevator at Saskatoon and Moosejaw becoming terminal elevators because every elevator, just as well as the Government elevator, will be an elevator which receives and ships grain and is situated at a point declared by the Governor in Council to be a terminal. The Governor in Council will declare Saskatoon and Moose-jaw to be terminal points and this clause says then that every elevator which is situated at these points shall be a terminal elevator. Consequently, it would look as if the local elevators in Moosejaw and Saskatoon would hot come under sections 195 to 207, namely, the clauses in regard to cars and the car order book.

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. G. E. FOSTER:

I think there is a point in that which I did not notice. I would suggest that we pass the clause and I will not push the Bill to the third reading, but I will have this matter looked into so that if anything is necessary to guard it I can introduce it as an amendment.

Bill reported.

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REGULATION OF EXPLOSIVES.


On motion of Hon. Louis Coderre (Minister of Mines), the House went into Committee on the following proposed resolution, Mr. Blondin in the chair: Resolved, that it is expedient to regulate and control the manufacture, importation and use of explosives and the construction, licensing and inspection of premises used for the manufacture and storing of explosives, and to provide for the making of inquiries where an accidental explosion has occurred.


LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

This is a resolution that, no doubt, is important, and there are a number of members who would like to be informed in regard to it. There are very few in the House just now and we do not wish to delay the business, but if the minister will make a full explanation on the second reading of the Bill there will be no objection to it going through without the information being given now.

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CON

Louis Coderre (Minister of Mines; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CODERRE:

I will do that.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I would ask the hon.

the minister if this resolution contemplates the avoidance of such accidents as happened a year or two ago at Beloeil? There was a powder manufactory at Beloeil and an explosion took place with the result that ten persons were killed. There is another powder manufactory on lie Perrot. It is quite near the track, and I am often nervous when I pass that point on my way to Montreal. Does this Bill contemplate circumstances of that nature?

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CON

Louis Coderre (Minister of Mines; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CODERRE:

I shall be pleased, as

requested by my hon. friend from Edmonton (Mr. Oliver), to delay the full explanation of this proposal until the second reading of the Bill. I would say to my hon. colleague from Rouville (Mr. Lemieux) that this resolution is to authorize the regulation and control of the manufacture, storage, testing, importation and transportation of explosives generally and the Bill which will be founded upon it proposes to do away, as far as possible, with such accidents as the one which he has mentioned. This is a most important measure. It should have been passed years ago. I remember that in 1911, my predecessor, Mr. COMMONS

Templeman, brought a Bill before the House, a few clauses of which were passed. The accident which has been alluded to by my hon. friend from Rouville is not the only one that has occurred during the past year. I have here a list, based on information we have obtained from the Labour Gazette, of ninety-two fatal accidents in 1913 due to explosion in mining, railway construction and other employments.

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CON

Louis Coderre (Minister of Mines; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CODERRE:

I think so.

Resolution reported and concurred in.

Mr. CODERRE thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 189, to regulate the manufacture, testing, storage, and importation of explosives.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


CANADA TEMPERANCE ACT AMENDMENT.


On motion of Hon. C. J. Doherty (Minister of Justice), Bill No. 180, to amend the Canada Temperance Act, was read the second time and the House went into Committee thereon, Mr. Blondin in the Chair.


CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

The first purpose of the Bill is to make the Canada Temperance Act of practical application in the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan. The second purpose of the Bill is to obviate a difficutly which has arisen in connection with elections under the Canada Temperance Act in the unorganized territories of Ontario. The law at present says that the persons entitled to vote upon an election for the adoption of the Canada Temperance Act, are the persons who would be entitled to vote in Dominion elections, and in order to hold an election under the Canada Temperance Act it is necessary that there should be a list in force for the purpose of a Dominion election. The law provides that in the unorganized territories an electoral list shall be made every year unless the Governor in Council dispenses with the making of such list, and it has been usual for the Governor in Council to so dispense with the making of the list in years other than that in which a general election is anticipated. Consequently, in certain cases it was necessary to make a special list for an election for the adoption of the Canada Temperance Act, and inasmuch as the list so made must be suitable for use at a Dominion election, even where

only a small part of the riding would be included in the district in which it was sought to bring the Canada Temperance Act into force, it was found to be necessary to make a list for the entire riding. This entailed additional and useless expense, and the purpose of the amendment is to provide that in such case the list may be made to cover only that part of any riding included in the district in which the Temperance Act is sought to be brought into force. It is provided that such list shall be applicable for the purposes of that election only, and shall not be used in the event of a Dominion election becoming necessary in that riding. It was considered undesirable that in a Dominion election in the riding part of the list should be made at one time and part at another.

It is farther sought to amend the law so as to remove doubt as to the jurisdiction of the Superior Courts to hear contestations of the validity of elections held under the Canada Temperance Act. I would not be inclined to think that the doubt as to the jurisdiction was very serious, but as the question had arisen it was thought wise to remove any doubt. In connection with the lists there was also found another difficulty which is sought to be remedied by an amendment which I intend to propose to the Bill as introduced. The Canada Temperance Act provides that twenty-five per cent of the qualified voters shall petition for the ordering of an election under the Act. In districts composed partly of organized and partly of unorganized territory, difficulty has arisen from the fact that in the unorganized territory there was not in force in certain cases any list of electors Which would enable the Secretary of State to determine whether or not the petitioners were twenty-five per cent of the electors in that unorganized territory. The amendment will provide that in such case, for the purpose of determining whether or not there are twenty-five per cent of the voters in the unorganized territories who have signed the petition, the Secretary of State shall take the number of voters who were on the last list in force in that territory as being the number whereof twenty-five per cent must sign the petition. This is made subject to the. exception that in cases where it may be demonstrated that there has been a noted diminution in the population of the unorganized district since the making of the last list, then twenty-five per cent of the persons who can be shown to be living in the district will be sufficient.

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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

I understand that the Act as it now stands provides for separate elections in cities and counties. The difficulty that arose in the western provinces was that there were no subdivisions of territory corresponding with the (districts in which the Act provided that a temperance election might be held. The way in which that difficulty is sought to be obviated is by a provision that in those provinces the word ' county ' shall mean a riding for a Dominion election. It makes the Act applicable, and at the same time obviates any difficulty about the lists, because a county for the purposes of the Canada Temperance Act will be the county for the purpose of a Dominion election, and naturally the same voters' list will be applicable.

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LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

Will the minister tell the House in how many counties in the Dominion the Canada Temperance Act is now in force?

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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

I am not in a position to give that information. Perhaps I should have anticipated that question, but I did not anticipate it.

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May 12, 1914