April 3, 1914

CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

He does not stay

there more than a year if he does not pass the examination.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

This examination applies to the increase, not to the permanency.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

The rule is this: The young man may remain in the service for a year.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Will my hon. friend get away from what the rules and regulations may be, and realize that we are passing a statute, and it is a question what is the interpretation of that statute? My hon. friend should devote his attention to that branch of the question, and not to rules and regulations of the past. He says that the Auditor General will not sign the cheques. That may have been the case in the past. Does not my hon. friend think that subsection C, if passed, will be a statute which the Auditor General will be bound to obey?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

There is no question about that. Perhaps I employed a word which did not carry the meaning I had in my .mind. Possibly I should have used the word ' law ' when I used the word ' rule.' The law now is that we cannot continue in office for more than twelve months a railway mail clerk who is on probation. After the twelve months have expired, if he has not passed the necessary examination, he has to leave the service. I used the word ' rule.' That is the ' law.'

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

What is the new law?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

The new law is to

increase the salaries and to keep in the service those temporary clerks who have made good.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

For four years more?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

Yes.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

What is the yearly increase? *

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

From $600 to $800

under the new law by increases of $100 a year. From $800 to $1,400; as the law now is, the rate of increase is $50 a year, we are making it $100 a year.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Any mail clerk can remain for four years without passing an examination?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

He must take the examination if he wants to be kept on for the second year.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

This subsection does not say so.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

We are providing by

this resolution to keep in the service men

who are there now and with whose work we are satisfied. This does not say that in future we shall have the right to keep for more than one year railway mail clerks who will be engaged later.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

In other words, those

who are employed as temporary clerks will never reach the maximum of the salary given to a regular railway mail clerk?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

No. There are two

examinations. This explanation will also answer partly my hon. friend from Rou-ville (Mr. Lemieux). In the first place, the man goes in without examination. He cannot be kept for more than a year. In order to be appointed he must pass the preliminary examination. This is very easy, calling for only elementary qualifications, such as ability to read and write and a knowledge of the four elementary rules of arithmetic. But the employee cannot have a salary of over $1,000 unless he passes the qualifying examination.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

What machinery is it

by which the man, at the end of the year's probation, is changed from a temporary clerk into a permanent clerk? Is it at the discretion of the minister to make the selection, or is the passing of the examination' sufficient?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

Both. He must pass the examination, but, even though he may pass the examination, if his services have not been found satisfactory, the minister is not obliged to appoint him.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

The minister has said

that section C applies only to clerks now in the employ of the department and that it is not intended to apply to those hereafter appointed. In that ease this section should be amended by some such qualifying words as ' now in the service of the department ' after the expression ' temporary railway mail clerks.' Otherwise it would be open to the minister to appoint temporary clerks, keep them for four years, and raise them to $1,000; and in this way he could saddle on the department a large number not qualified.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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April 3, 1914