April 3, 1914

CON

Angus Alexander McLean

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. A. McLEAN:

Will this resolution or Bill affect the salaries of officials entering the Post Office Department in Ottawa?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

This is a Bill for the outside service.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Angus Alexander McLean

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McLEAN:

Will the salary of a man -entering the Post Office Department in Ottawa still remain at $500?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

Yes.

'Mr. NESBITT: Will the minister, when he brings down his Bill, give us some idea of the number of people who are affected by it?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

Yes, my officers will

be here when the Bill is before the House.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

And the amount involved?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

And the amount involved.

Resolution reported and concurred in.

Mr. PELLETIER thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 146, to amend the Civil Service Act.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   CIVIL SERVICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time. .


POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.


On motion of Hon. L. P. Pelletier (Postmaster Genera]), the House went into Committee to consider the following proposed resolution. Mr. Blondin in the Chair : Resolved, that it is expedient to amend the Post Office Act, and to provide (a) that the minimum salary of railway mail clerks appointed on probation shall be at the rate of $600 a year, and on confirmation shall he at the rate of $700 a year, with annual increases of $100 thereafter until the maximum of $1,400 is reached; (b) for the temporary employment of railway mail clerks for a period of not more than one year at a salary of $600 and mileage allowance; (c) for the appointment of temporary railway mail clerks as permanent clerks with a salary not exceeding that which they received as such temporary clerks, and eligible for the usual annual increases for the period from the date of their appointment until their salaries amount to $1,000, but not eligible for an increase above $1,000 until they pass the qualifying examination; (d) that if the salary of any railway mail clerk, temporary or permanent, is on the 1st April; 1914, less than $600, it shall forthwith he increased to that amount.


LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Would my hon. friend

the minister explain the procedure by which he proposes to turn temporary clerks into permanent ones?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

We are not turning

temporary clerks into permanent ones We are simply dealing with their salaries.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

What does subsection

C mean?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

This resolution is

simply doing for the railway mail clerks what the preceding resolution has done for the employees in the city post offices in the railway mail service, and in the money order exchange offices. We are increasing their initial salaries from $500 to $600, and are providing for an annual increase of $100 instead of $50 when the salary reaches $800, rising to $1,400. That is the sole object of the resolution. We have no right to employ railway mail clerks for' more than one year in a temporary capacity. If at the end of the year they have

not passed the examination, we cannot employ them any longer.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Cannot you employ

them over again in a temporary capacity?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

We cannot do that

under the law. The Auditor General would not sign the salary cheques.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Could you not dismiss

them, and then next day reappoint them in a temporary capacity?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Louis-Philippe Pelletier (Postmaster General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PELLETIER:

No.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

The trouble is that the examinations for railway mail clerks are far too severe. What is required from a railway mail clerk is common sense, good education, sobriety and honesty. In certain provinces my hon. friend must experience very great difficulty in securing railway mail clerks. In the provinces west of the Great Lakes, it is true that they receive 15 per cent above the salaries paid elsewhere. In my day I had great difficulty in getting proper service in that respect, because the salary is not high enough and the examinations required from railway mail clerks are equal to the examinations required from university students. You cannot get a young university student to devote his life to the work of a railway mail clerk. It is very tedious work, it is not always very healthy, and it is at times very risky. I would suggest that my hon. friend amend the regulations so as to make the examinations required from railway mail clerks less difficult than at present. He is quite right in taking on permanently a temporary railway mail clerk who has done good service during one year and has shewn himself fully qualified for the position. These temporary clerks are called railway mail clerks, but, as a matter of fact, they are only labourers. They are employed as labourers for a year, and the Auditor General will not pay beyond a year for one who assumes tbe name of railway mail clerk but is really only a labourer.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

Has the hon. member

(Mr. Lemieux) read subsection 0? I understand by that section that if a railway mail clerk stays there long enough, his salary will rise to $1,000 a year.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE ACT AMENDMENT.
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April 3, 1914