April 3, 1914

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Certainly. There has been work done on the pond afterwards. The pond is -worth every dollar of the money' that has been spent on it.1 The money has been economically spent under the direction of the engineers of the department in whom I have confidence and who have spent the money to good advantage. [DOT]

My hon. friend has made merry about the number of lobsters. The pond was not ready for the lobsters last year. A great many more lobsters will be put in the pond during this and coming years. The pond has been purchased for the purpose of experimenting with lobsters in order to see whether something cannot be done towards replenishing the lobster fisheries along the coast of Nova Scotia.

There is not a single transaction in connection with it that we are not prepared to justify or that we do not believe have been in the public interest. Nothing has been done by me except after careful investigation and report by the permanent officers of the department, who were there long before I became minister. Having confidence in their reports and in the integrity of these officers, I believe that everything has been done honestly and properly, and that the result will be to develop the lobster fishery along the shores of Nova Scotia to the great advantage of the people.

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George William Kyte

Liberal

Mr. KYTE:

I would ask the. minister if he thinks this statement of Mr. Brunei's conduct in this matter is calculated to elevate him in the estimation of the public as a conscientious officer. Will he admit that Mr. Brunei was right if he made his report merely with the idea of beating down the owner of this property? I do not know if the minister quite appreciates the statement he made; but it appears to me that if the officers of his department go out to estimate the value of property it should be to give an honest opinion of the value and to direct the minister as to the course he should take. But if these officers base their estimate of value of property to be purchased on the ground which the minister indicates, then I think these reports are very much less valuable than they ought to be. I trust that Mr. Brunei did not estimate the value of the property at $5,000 solely for the purpose of representing to the owner that it was less valuable to the department than it really was. If the statement given by the minister is to be accepted as given, then I think every criticism directed by the hon. member for Yarmouth (Mr. Law), is very

amply borne out. Here was the property assessed at $350 before it was purchased. Here is the report of Mr. Brunei, that it was only worth $5,000. Here also is the report of Professor Prince that the property was not suitable for the purposes of a lobster pond. The minister states that subsequently streams of fresh water were diverted from the pond, making it suitable for the purposes for which it was purchased, and I doubt not that this diversion was accomplished by the expenditure of $10,400 after the Government had paid $10,000 for the property. Professor Prince also stated that it was too much exposed to the rays of the sun to be suitable for breeding lobsters. It has not been stated that they diverted the rays of the sun by means of this expenditure, but the amount would seem to indicate that that also had been attempted. Of course, the whole value of the property for a lobster pond would depend upon it being a sheltered place and protected from the rays of the sun, for there is nothing more fatal to young lobsters than high temperature of the water in which they dwell. If this pond were open to the direct rays of the sun it would make it unsuitable for this purpose. As I stated, I trust the minister will remove from the committee the impression he gave as to Mr. Brunei s conscientiousness when he made his report.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Is it desired that this item should stand ?

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

That matter has been under the administration of the Department of Agriculture, but the inspection of canned fish has never been actually carried out. It was considered this year that the Department of Marine and Fisheries had better deal with that subject, and so the administration of that portion of the Act was placed under the Fisheries Department. Details are now being considered.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Then, let the item for fish breeding establishments go through.

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

As it is going through, I desire to ask, is the department doing anything about stocking fresh water lakes, say in Nova Scotia?

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I suppose the hon. gentleman has in mind the sporting fish, such as

trout. There is a fish hatchery at Bedford where such fry can be obtained, and one at Middleton in the county of Annapolis. Of course, at the salmon hatcheries other fish can be hatched. As a rule people make application for the fry of these sporting fish, paying so much a thousand, and it is distributed in this way as far as it will go.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Is it private property?

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

No, it is a lake about three miles long and a mile wide. The only ownership is that the town of Sydney Mines gets its water from the lake. There is a desire on the part of the people that this lake should be stocked, and I think it would be well worth the experiment to put fry in it. There is a fish that flourishes abundantly in the lakes of Newfoundland, called the rainbow trout, a beautiful fish and very game. I would request that the minister consider putting some fry into that lake.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

There will be some fry

available from the Margaree hatchery and some of it might be put in the lake mentioned. I will ask the superintendent to make a note olit.

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Alexander William Chisholm

Liberal

Mr. A. W. CHISHOLM:

Can the hon.

minister give the committee an idea of the number of trout put in that Margaree hatchery?

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

I cannot tell the number this year. Arrangements are being made to catch and impound trout, so that in future years we shall have a large supply of eggs for the hatcheries.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

In the Margaree river.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

They will have to be got and impounded in the early part of +he summer, and the spawn taken from them during the spawning season.

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April 3, 1914