May 23, 1913

LIB

Alexander William Chisholm

Liberal

Mr. CHISHOLM (Inverness):

There is a large amount of money expended on this particular work, not too large, I admit, and I would like to ask if careful attention is paid to the appointment of officers in charge of these establishments. I have in mind a particular hatchery in Nova Scotia where the department appointed a man as superintendent two years ago. I cannot conceive of this man being a proper person for the position inasmuch as he is seventy years old. I would expect a man filling a position of such importance to have at least reasonable youth to his credit.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

My officials tell me they pay as careful attention as they can, but no doubt mistakes are made at times. A trouble does exist, I think, with regard to fish hatcheries in the fact that we have not in Canada enough men trained in that branch of science. Within the last few months the departmental officers have arranged-and I have approved of a schedule that has been prepared, arranging for the officers in the different fish hatcheries, what pay they shall receive when appointed, what the increases, and what the maximum shall be. We are trying to work out a system under which we can get better-trained officials than we have at the present time. The work has gone on very rapidly in the past two years, almost too rapidly. There have been splendid results from the salmon hatcheries, but it is doubtful if there have been any results at all from the lobster hatcheries. There are white-fish, pickerel, and salmon hatcheries which have given good results. The demand for these hatcheries is becoming greater all the time in places where streams and lakes are getting less full of fish. On Lake Erie, where there are hatcheries, there is no doubt that the supply of white-fish has been pretty well kept up; whereas in some of the other great lakes where there are no hatcheries the supply of whiteflsh has very largely decreased.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The salmon fishers around that coast tell me there are more salmon there than there were ten or fifteen years ago. They attribute it to that hatchery. Some of it may be due to the protection being better than it was twenty or twenty-five years ago. The number of shad was becoming less, and last year we established shad hatcheries. A shad hatchery cannot be made like other hatcheries in a fixed place; it has to be removed from place to place because the shad is such a delicate fish. You cannot take it out like a salmon, and strip it; you have to get it oyer the spawning bed when it is quite ripe. If you do not do that, you loose the shads and spawn and everything else. At the first hatchery of the kind in the Dominion last year, they got about 5,000,000 eggs that were deposited. This year they expect to do very much better. As to what the result will be, we cannot tell for perhaps three or four years. I have great hopes that it will increase the number of shads.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

We asked for tenders. It is to take the place of a boat called the Lady of the Lake, which has been the Marine and Fisheries boat there. Not a single firm tendered. They considered that Lake Winnipeg was an out-of-the-way place, and they would have to build the boat largely here and set it up when they got it to the lake. Therefore we decided to build the boat ourselves in the Government yards at Sorel.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

Whilst I was reading the Star to-night I found what I wanted to quote this afternoon about ship construction in Canada. It is as follows:

Collingwood, Out., May 23.-The steel freighter, James Carruthers, claimed to he the largest of its kind ever constructed in the British Empire, was successfully launched yesterday at the yards of the Collingwood Ship-building Company.

The new vessel was christened by Miss Lillian A. Wright, daughter of Mr. A. A. Wright, general manager of the St. Lawrence and Chicago Navigation Company, under whose colours the James Carruthers will ply on the upper lakes.

The vessel is 550 feet long, 38 feet beam, and 30 feet deep, and has a carrying capacity of 375,000 bushels of wheat, or 600,000 bushels of oats, and about 11,000 tons of coal.

I submit that to my hon. friend for his consideration.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

We have it organized this year. There are three divisions, an eastern division, a Pacific division and a prairie division, the prairie division being the (provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta where conditions are different. There have been two meetings of the Atlantic division here, and one meeting of the Pacific division. I think there is to be a meeting of the prairie division in June. The officials of the department believe it will be a great help.

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LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

My hon. friend suggests that lobster hatcheries are not doing good work. There is evidence to the contrary in some places. The hatchery that was established in Pictou a number of years ago has increased the crop of lobsters in that vicinity. The same thing prevails at Canso, but the Canso hatchery has not been operated so long as the one at Pictou. After his experts have been experimenting for some ten or fifteen years it is humiliating that the minister has to come before the committee and say he does not know. If his experts on this question were as they ought to be, they would follow up the spawn they put in the isea and be able to tell the minister whether any of them thrive or not.

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Bowman Brown Law

Liberal

Mr. LAW:

Are any new lobster ponds to Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax): Have the lob-to be bought this year? sters'been placed in the pond in Digby?

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

No.

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LIB

Bowman Brown Law

Liberal

Mr. LAW:

There is a natural lobster

pond at West Pubnico, Yarmouth county. An official of the department has inspected that pond three times, and I understand he had made a favourable report. The pond can be got for a very reasonable price. There is an increase in this vote of $77,700. That pond, I imagine could be bought for $1,000. I see that last year the minister purchased a lot in Digby for $10,000, which has been assessed for the last three or four years for $300 to $350. If the money is as plentiful as that with the Marine and Fisheries Department it is only fair they should purchase this pond at West Pubnico which will be of benefit to the fisherman of that county as well as of Shelbourne. It is a natural pond and the water flows into it and out of it as the tide moves, and no fresh water goes into it.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The hon. gentleman

knows that the value of a property cannot be determined by the assessment. I am prepared to justify the purchase of that property and amount paid. It was reported upon by the officers of the department and every precaution taken. The matter of Pubnico has been before the department and I believe that the officers think it a good site, but we have decided not to extend the lobster ponds this year.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The area is nineteen acres. A dam has been built and a pond constructed. To go back to the other matter, what strikes me as a non-expert is that more information ought to be had along the line referred to by the hon. member for Guysboro. We do not know whether the lobsters which are hatched out and put in the ocean are devoured by the other fish or what becomes of them. I do not think anything is known to prove that the lobster hatchery has been productive of very good results. I am glad to heaT what the hon. gentleman says about Pictou and Canso. But should not we keep the lobsters after they are hatched out in the pond, place them in favourable locations where they could not be preyed upon, and so make sure that a fair proportion of them reach maturity. I think the investigation should take place, and the proper body to make it would be the biological board. This is without casting reflections on the officers of the department who are capable and zealous men. But we have not at this time such information as I speak of. .

Mr. SINCLAIR

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

They are being placed

there.

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John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

No, that has been diverted.

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May 23, 1913