April 30, 1913

LIB

George Ewan McCraney

Liberal

Mr. McCRANEY:

No, but that is provided he has surrendered before the 31st of October. .

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Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

Certainly. .

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LIB

George Ewan McCraney

Liberal

Mr. McCRANEY:

Why should he not

on the first of November be able to turn in his scrip to the Government and get $500?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

We must fix some

limit.

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LIB

George Ewan McCraney

Liberal

Mr. McCRANEY:

I commend that to

the consideration of the minister.

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LIB

William Melville Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN (Regina):

There is something in the point raised by the hon. member from Saskatoon (Mr. McCraney). Section 8, in the Act of 1912, with respect to the payment of the $500, is:

Any grantee under the Volunteer Bounty Act of 1908, or any substitute duly qualified in that behalf, as provided for in section 5 of the said Act, may on or before the 31st December, 1912, surrender to 'the Grown all rights under the said Act, and upon executing the surrender, &c., he shall receive the amount of $900.

The point is that a man may have been trying to locate that scrip, whether he be the original grantee or substitute, on the 31st December, and through some misfortune he has failed to locate. It seems to me some time should be fixed in the new Act providing for the obtaining of the $500 after the 31st of October,, which is the date fixed for the location of the South

African warrants. The conditions of the country are such that a man may be perhaps 150 or 200 miles away from a railroad, and some provision should be made for allowing him to get that $500 paid thirty days after the last day on which, under the new Act, he can locate that scrip.

I submit to the minister a concrete case with which I have had something to do. Owing to the fact that the public did not know there would be an extension of time, most holders of scrip decided to get rid of it or surrender it to the Government and accept the sum of $500. _

A man thought the time for locating the scrip was expiring on the 31st December, and he could not locate it and he said he would take $500 from the department. He wrote to the department and through some mistake the execution of the surrender provided for in the Act of 1912, was not properly executed, and is not executed up to the present time. He now knows of this further extension and the question arises whether he will get the scrip he surrendered practically to ;the department, and be able to locate under the provisions of this mew Act. I have been in correspondence with the department for some weeks on that case and it has been ruled that he will not be able to locate his scrip. What is he going to do? I would like to hear the view of the minister as to whether or not that man is entitled to locate his scrip.

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LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS:

A case came under my notice somewhat similar to the one given by the member for Regina. A man formerly in my own county, who went out West, purchased one of these scrips from a South African veteran who was living in Australia. A transfer was made some time in the latter part of August, 1911. He had until the last day of the year to locate. I am not just sure of the day of the week on which that last day came, but I think it was a legal holiday. At all events, the time that he had for locating was comparatively short. He picked two or three parcels of land which he might locate, and a day or so before the time expired, he went to the land office intending to locate on those particular lands. The agent told him that a certain other parcel of land would be open in a day or two and advised him to wait. Acting on that advice, he waited, and when the day came round he went and located on this other land; The agent told him that due allowance would be made for the legal holiday. He was, however, according to the strict interpretation of the Act, a few hours too late. It seems to me that was a case where the fault was not of the man locating, and that his case should receive some consideration. Believing that he was entirely out of it, he surrendered his scrip. I cer-

tainly think that man should be given the right to re-locate.

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

He has that right.

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LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS:

If that is so, that will answer the question of the hon. member for Regina.

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Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER :

For once at least I am very much in sympathy with the remarks made by the hon. member for Edmonton with one exception. 1 believe that the Minister of Public Works has stated the facts as they existed at that time, and as they have existed all along. I never could understand, and I stated so at that time, why the Bill of 1912 took the privilege from the substitute, which as I understand this resolution will give back to him. We should have had in 1912 a resolution the same as we have before us to-day. I know personally of some very great hardships that were inflicted in 1911. As the hon. member has said, and as anybody living in the West knows, during November and December or in fact at any time during the winter it would be almost impossible to locate lands. The impression abroad, among the laity at least, was that the same privileges were being granted by the Bill of 1912 as are being granted by this resolution. I know of at least two cases in my own constituency, two widows who were trying to provide for their families, who had purchased this scrip in December and who did not know until January that, being substitutes, they would be unable to locate. I objected last year and I asked that the very same conditions as are in this resolution should be submitted then. I am very glad that the Minister of the Interior has seen fit to provide for those substitutes in that way.

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Mr WARNOCK:

I agree with the hon. member for Saskatoon (Mr. McCraney) when he suggested to the minister that a further extension should be made to December 31 instead of to October 31 for the location of this scrip. I have found out during the past year that much of this scrip that was supposed to be held by speculators, is helf by bona-fide farmers. I have in my own riding several farmers who purchased scrip, paying seven hundred dollars for it. I know of one case where a farmer bought three of them last year. He tried to locate in the Peace River district and was informed at the land office that the time had expired on December 31, 1911. He still holds his scrip and is prepared to locate now when he is given that privilege. I think that to the 31st of October is a rather short period. Borne farmers who are holding scrip in Southern Alberta propose to locate in the Peace River district, and it would take Mr. EDWARDS.

some time to select suitable land. I would suggest to the Acting Minister of the Interior that he meet the suggestion of the hon. member for Saskatoon and extend the time to at least the 31st of December.

I do not agree with my hon. friend the member for Carleton (Mr. Carvell) when he says that grantees of scrip should not have been allowed to assign. In that case a great many of the young men who went to South Africa would not have accepted scrip as it would have been of no value whatever to them. I think it was quite correct to allow one assignment. I heartily approve of this resoluton.

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LIB

William Melville Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Did I understand the

minister, when he answered the concrete case that was put before him by the hon. member for Frontenac to answer also the case which I attempted to put before him a few minutes ago?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

No, I was only

answering one question.

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LIB

William Melville Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Will the hon. minister

answer the question that I asked him a little while ago?

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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

I do not remember

what it was.

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LIB

William Melville Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

I would not, for a moment, think of saying anything discourteous to the minister, but I submit that any representative in this House is entitled to some attention especially when he, in a most courteous manner, states some facts to a minister of the Crown, and the minister of the Crown apparently pays no attention to what he says.

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LIB

William Melville Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Whether it is discourtesy or ill-breeding I do not know.

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Pierre Édouard Blondin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN:

Order.

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LIB

William Melville Martin

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

It is a case I might say

in regard to which I have had some correspondence with the department. A man towards the 31st of December, 1912, came to the conclusion that no extension of time was to be granted. Finding that it was severe winter in the western provinces and thinking that he would not be able to locate this scrip to any advantage, he decided to surrender his scrip to the department. He did so. Later on he found that an extension of time was to be granted and he wants this scrip back. Will there be any amendment in this Bill-perhaps it is merely a matter of administration- will that man be able to get that scrip back, considering the fact that he could not locate at that time and also that he did not know that there was any extension of time?

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April 30, 1913