April 30, 1913

LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Vancouver is in close competition with other ports nearby which have shipping facilities for Canadian trade, and it would not be good economy to fix the charges so as to make the harbour self-supporting if by doing so business would be deterred from coming to that harbour.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

Quite so.

On sections 29, 30, 31 and 32-seizure and detention of vessels:

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Subtopic:   VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSIONERS.
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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

To one not learned in the law the sections about seizure and detention read very seriously and it would be noharm to have a little explanation.

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Subtopic:   VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSIONERS.
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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

There is provision in section 29 that vessels which have done actual damage by running into the wharfs may be detained and seized, and a similar clause in the Montreal Act has been found to be very necessary. Sections 30, 31 and 32 deal with seizure of goods for unpaid rates and stipulate how the seizure shall be made.

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Subtopic:   VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSIONERS.
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LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

The chairman of the

commission has the power of a magistrate,, and the solicitor of the commission can bring action, and that seems a good deal of power to place in the chairman.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

The same idea has occurred to me. I do not think the chairman of the commission should have that power. Where you can go before a judge and a magistrate and the collector of customs there is no necessity whatever for giving their power to the chairman of the commission. I am glad my hon. friend (Mr. Sinclair) called my attention to that, and I move that clause (d) of sub-section 3 of section 31 be stricken out.

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Motion agreed to.


LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

The effect of this is that the vessel may be seized for damages and the goods may be seized for dues.

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Subtopic:   VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSIONERS.
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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

That is it.

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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

It is not the law of

Nova Scotia and I do not think it is the law of New Brunswick that any person can step in and seize a vessel for striking a wharf.

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Subtopic:   VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSIONERS.
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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

In the Admiralty court you can arrest a vessel for wages or for damages done to a wharf; this simply goes a .little further.

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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

I am quite aware what the Admiralty Court can do, but they can do other things. When a vessel is seized

in the Admiralty Court, the master at once puts up security and gets an order of the judge releasing the vessel and then he can go on his way. I can see no such machinery here. If a vessel is seized, the master has either to pay his money at once, and any exorbitant charges that may be imposed against him, or to stay there until he gets a trial. To put the Admiralty Court in the hands of a commission is putting shipping in the maritime provinces under entirely unfair conditions.

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CON

John Douglas Hazen (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAZEN:

It is not a new provision; it has been done in other oases and no hardship in consequence of it has come to my attention. It is more of a preventive measure. If my hon. friend finds any case in the working of it where hardship has resulted, I will certainly ask for a modification of it.

Bill reported.

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VOLUNTEER BOUNTY ACT AMENDMENT.


On motion of Mr. Crothers, House went into Committee to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved, that it is expedient 'to amend the Volunteer Bounty Act, 1912, and (a) to provide that any substitute of a grantee of a warrant issued under the provisions of the Volunteer Bounty Act, 1908, and who has been duly appointed, such substitute may locate and enter for lands, as provided for in the said Act of 1908; and (ib) to extend the time within wihioh a grantee or bis substitute may locate and enter for such lands.- Mr. Roche. (Mr. Deputy Speaker in the Chair.)


LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Before the resolution is adopted, would the minister be good enough to explain what amendment is intended to be made to the provisions of the Act as it stands at present ?

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Subtopic:   VOLUNTEER BOUNTY ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

Mr. Chairman, members will be aware that the original Volunteer Bounty Act was passed in the year 1908, providing that a grant should be given .to all persons then domiciled in Canada who served with the British forces in South Africa in the years 1899-1902, giving them until the 31st day of December, 1910, to locate two adjoining quarter sections of land, and authorizing the substitute, who became entitled to a transfer from the original grantee, to locate the land. In 1910 the time for locating these grants was extended to the 31st of December, 1911. As it was found that a number of these grants had not been located, in the year 1912 another extension of time was made until the 31st of December, 1912. It is now proposed, as it has been ascertained that a good many of these scrips have not been located, that the grantees should be allowed until the 31st of October in the 282

present year, to locate this scrip and to prove their right thereto-not only the grantees, but the substitutes. I think the Act of 1912 limited the time within which a substitute should be permitted to make his location. He was not given the full rights that were given to the original grantees. One of the sections of the original Bill provides that, instead of scrip being given for two adjoining quarter sections, scrip may be given for $160; and still another section provides that a man who is entitled to locate these two quarter sections may surrender his claim to the Government and get $500 in money. When the scrip was given first about five years ago, it was not thought to be worth much, but it has become very valuable now and I do not see any use of that section in the Bill, giving them scrip for $160 instead of for 320 acres of land. It was in the Bill, however, and I have left it there. The same has been done with the right to surrender and to get $500 in money. The grantee, the substitute, and the man who has surrendered his scrip, are all put on the same level. Some surrendered their scrip but they were never paid any money, and under this Bill they are given the right to come in and to locate their two quarter sections notwithstanding that surrender. The extension has been made to October 31, 1913, in the hope that all these scrips may be located by that time and that we will not be required to make any further extensions of time.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I hope the minister wilil promise that there will not be any further extension.

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Subtopic:   VOLUNTEER BOUNTY ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS:

I cannot promise that.

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Subtopic:   VOLUNTEER BOUNTY ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

All ministers in the past have promised that and I hope my hon. friend will also do so.

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Subtopic:   VOLUNTEER BOUNTY ACT AMENDMENT.
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April 30, 1913