February 6, 1912

CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

I understand that the standard samples for the United States product are to be selected here by the Grain Survey Board and the standard samples for our own grain are selected by the board of standards; and' my bon. friend (Mr. Neely) asks why this should be under the survey board as being an exception. Is that it?

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David Bradley Neely

Liberal

Mr. NEELY.

In this case it is the Grain Survey Board. I quite understand that the standards board collects the samples for Canadian grain and establishes the standards for commercial grades. But where there is a dispute or question of selecting commercial grades, I do not think the board of commissioners ought to have supervision over the judgment of the Grain Survey Board or the Grain Standards Board.

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

They do that for the standards board. In fact, the standards board is appointed by the board of commissioners.

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

I do not think there is -much in -the hon, gentleman's objection. In the first place, we have no right to assume that the commissioners will not be experienced men; they may be as good judges -of samples as any one. But, in any case, they have expert advice, they have the chief inspector and other experts, and I suppose they will rely upon that expert advice. The hoard of any concern is not expected to have expert knowledge of -all matters coming under its authority, but they realize that in questions of dispute they must depend upon expert help. The -same applies in this case.

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David Bradley Neely

Liberal

Mr. NEELY.

Take the case of the establishment of grain standards by the Grain Standards Board. It appears that difficulty might arise from giving the Board of Commissioners revising power, if in any instance they exercised that power. Becau-se, when the commercial grades are established, contracts are entered into on a basis of these grades; and if the board of commissioners are to have the power of revi-

sion of these grades, there might be great disturbance with reference to contracts.

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

As a matter of fact, I think that bon. gentlemen will find that there will toe little interference by the board of commissioners with the work of the experts.

On section 113, grading United States grain-appeals,

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I am not very familiar with the operation of this provision. Perhaps the minister could tell us under what circumstances it becomes desirable or necessary for Canada to make an official inspection of United States grain in transit in Canada.

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

The reason this is necessary is that United States grain-wheat to some extent, but particularly corn-is liable to heat on the way, and deteriorate, so there has been a demand for an inspection at the port of Montreal. It is only in the east, I think, and at the port of Montreal that this inspection takes place.

On section 115, no grade; condemned; rejected; scoured grain,

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Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

It has been brought to my attention that there is a possibility under this clause, and the clause regarding hospital elevators that an abuse might arise unless an amendment is provided. This section, which really applies to grain treated because it has been damaged, provides that the grain so treated shall, under certain circumstances, not grade higher than No. 3, but under other circumstances it shall be given such grade as it may be entitled to after passing through treatment.

There is no prohibition, in the Act, so far as I am aware, of the placing of sound grain in these hospital elevators. If there is no such prohibition, and no prohibition of mixing of that grain with the treated grain, then sound grain could be mixed with treated grain, thus securing for the treated grain a grade to which it would not be properly entitled. A provision of this kind should be inserted in this section or in the section relating to hospital elevators, or in both.

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

I should think that the provisions against abuses should be made in the section relating to hospital elevators. We are here fixing the grades of grain. Of course, if necessary, we might return to this section.

Section 121-interpretation.

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David Bradley Neely

Liberal

Mr. NEELY.

This differs materially from the corresponding clause of Bill ' Q '. Bill ' Q ' included in its definition sections Mr. NEELY.

123 and 124, but this Bill does not include those sections. The effect is that the important feature of the Bill covered by section 123 is limited in its application by section 121, to the western inspection division only. In ' Q ', the application is made throughout Canada. Why are these restrictions on the buying and selling of grain that are laid down in 123, applied to the western inspection division only, and not to those operating public elevators in the east?

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

This includes all that was included in Bill Q, with the single exception of section 123.

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LIB

John Gillanders Turriff

Liberal

Mr. TURRIFF.

Perhaps the minister could give us the reasons for leaving out clause 123. .

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

I am going to ask the committee to skip 122 and 123 for the present. The committee will see that in passing over for the present 122 and 123 I am leaving out the questions which are moot points. We will come back to them afterwards, when a full explanation will be given.

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

121 will stand if you please.

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LIB

William Erskine Knowles

Liberal

Mr. KNOWLES.

Will the minister give us good notice before he takes up these-sections?

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CON

February 6, 1912