February 6, 1912

MANITOBA GRAIN ACT AMENDMENT.


FOSTER (North Toronto) moved the third reading of Bill (No. 06) to amend the Manitoba Grain Act. Mr. OLIVER, I think there must be some error in connection with this proposed amendment. When it was moved, I asked for a copy and the hon. minister said I would find it in ' Hansard.' But the amendment, as it appears in ' Hansard,' does not convey the idea which was m our minds at the time. The amendment reads in 'Hansard'; That after the word ' collapse ' in the third line there he inserted all places where grain is damn and liable 'to become damp, or for the purpose of distributing seed grain to any point in the western division.',


CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

It should read; damp and liable to become damaged,' are the words in the Bill.

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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

The liability to damage would not be a sufficient reason for giving the warehouse commissioner the extraordinary authority proposed. Such authority should not be given, unless the conditions were such as might be expressed in these words:

. -HI places where the grain is damp and is liable to be destroyed by reason of that condition.

There must be the existence of the condition which, under ordinary circumstances, is going to produce destructive results, rather than the double proposition that where the grain is damp or where it is liable to damage.

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LIB
CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

It is not the word ' or.' which is used. If it were I would take the same objection. The word ' and ' is used where the grain is damp and liable to become damaged. It is the one condition which threatens destruction.

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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Then I withdraw my objection to the Bill, because it is only to go into effect in connection with the existing Act, but I give notice that when lie proposes to introduce the like amendment into the Act 'before us we may give it further consideration.

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LIB

Levi Thomson

Liberal

Mr. THOMSON (Qu'Appelle).

I am not sure whether I am justified in objecting at this stage, but I understood, when the matter was before the committee before, that ample opportunity would be given to discuss this question. Do I understand it may be discussed on the third reading of the Grain Bill?

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

If it forms a part of" the Grain Act, but this goes into the existing Act and becomes repeal- ' ed when the Bill we are discussing comes out. My hon. friend would not be allowed, under the rules of the House, at this late hour, to raise any further objection.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the third time, and passed.


' ADJOURNMENT.


Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto) moved the adjournment of the House.


LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

A provision with regard to the distribution of cars was allowed to stand. I take it for granted there will be an amendment to that. Is it understood that any amendment to that section will be laid on the table some time , before being submitted for consideration?

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George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

That clause was allowed to stand as an indication that it is still being considered. If an amendment be desirable, it will be laid on the table as my hon. friend requests.

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

First questions and then government orders- very likely numbers 14, 17, and perhaps 18, and' then Supply. The Supply will be Public Works.

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THE CARRIAGE OF GRAIN TO DULUTH AND MINNEAPOLIS.

CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

I would like to call the attention of the hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Foster) to a Washington despatch with reference to the carrying of grain to Duluth and Minneapolis, and

would ask him if there has been any change in the situation since the statement my hon. friend made on January 23rd last?

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CON

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER (North Toronto).

There has been no change except for the better. I am not quite sure from memory just how far my statement went, but the condition at present is that wheat and oats for export are, and have been for some time, carried to Duluth and Minneapolis at the same rates as to Fort William and Port Arthur, that applications were made to place wheat and oats for consumption in the United States on the same tariff rates, that these were not allowed by the Interstate Commerce Commission of the United States to take place earlier than the thirty days' notice required by that commission. That, however, has now been issued, and speaking generally, wheat and oats for export, and barley, wheat, oats and flax for consumption in the United ' States are either being carried at present at an equal or slightly higher rate to Duluth and Minneapolis than obtains in Port Arthur and Fort William, but by the latter paid of February will be carried at the same nates as to Fort William and Port Arthur. The reason that all kinds of grain and for both purposes, have not been carried sooner is that- the commission in the United States objected to doing the latter within the thirty days* notice necessary for the application to' be made before the tariff goes into effect. That thirty days' notice is required in order to give full knowledge and advertisement to the interests that may be affected in the country itself.

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Motion agreed to, and House adjourned at 11.30 p.m.


February 6, 1912