July 21, 1911

CHINESE INVESTIGATION COMMISSION.

LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

With reference to the question which came up yesterday, and which was brought up by my hon. friend from New Westminster (Mr. J. D. Taylor) in regard to the inquiry made by Mr. Justice Murphy as commissioner to investigate frauds in the administration of the Chinese Act at Vancouver, I stated yesterday that I had a conference with the . Minister of Justice on the matter, but that I had had no time to read the report, and had only looked at the conclusions. The first conclusion is that Mr. Justice Murphy advises certain prosecutions be taken. The other recommendation was that the report should not be made public until the prosecutions had been taken, the reason being-I could not give the reason yesterday, but I can now-that if the report were made public before the prosecutions were undertaken, witnesses for the prosecution might disappear. I under-derstand, on further conference that the parties indicated for prosecution are in China and therefore that no prosecution we could undertake would reach them. I have looked at the report and see no reason why it should not be given to the public even in the face of the recommendations made by Mr. Justice Murphy. Therefore, I lav it on the table. As hon. members will see, it is a rather voluminous document. What I have here is the report and the evidence. There is also about a trunkful of exhibits which I said might be sent to the office of the clerk.

Topic:   CHINESE INVESTIGATION COMMISSION.
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MR. COURTRICE.

LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. FRANK OLIVER (Minister of the Interior).

I wish to refer to a question asked by the hon. member for Grenville (Mr. J. D. Reid). The question was based on an item which appeared in the newspapers and referred to Mr. Courtrice, an employee of the Department of the Interior. I have made inquiries, and find that Mr. Courtrice applied for leave of absence without pay beginning on the 1st of July. He was granted the leave, but, on the reassembling of parliament he was told he must report for duty. He has been at work in the department at his ordinary duties since and including Wednesday afternoon.

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THE CENSUS-OMISSIONS IN ENUMERATION.

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I would like to ask my hon. friend the Minister of

Agriculture (Mr. Fisher) whether or not he has any further information about the alleged irregularities in connection with the census. I would like to inform him at the same time, that I have a letter from a gentleman residing in an apartment house in Toronto stating that people in that House to the number of twenty-two were not included in the enumeration. And when he asked the enumerator the reason for this, some very unsatisfactory reply was given, and the enumerator also stated that if any person were omitted they had enough in other respects to make up for any such losses. I have forgotten the exact expression, but it is something like that. I intended to bring the letter in, but omitted to do so. ' I do not know whether the minister has ascertained yet whether I have the honour to be enumerated or not. I would like very much to know.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I should have preferred not to make a statement until I had had an opportunity for fuller investigation. I hope the hon. gentleman (Mr. Borden, Halifax) will send in the names of the people said to have been omitted, so that I may investigate the matter.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I will.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

So far as the hon. gentleman (Mr. Borden, Halifax) himself is concerned I can only make a partial statement, not yet having had an opportunity to investigate the matter fully. The statement given me is that the enumerator called at the hon. gentleman's house when he and Mrs. Borden were out. The servant told him so and said that if he would come back, no doubt they would be in. The statement I have is that he went back five or six times, and was not able to find any body in the house. I am making more careful inquiry to find out whether that means that he w-as not able to find Mr. or Mrs. Borden, or that he was not able to find anybody at all. The statement made to me, was that he was not able to find any body at all. He did what his duty required in such circumstances and sent an absentee card to the office, which is in the office, and was there when my hon. friend made his statement the other day. That card will ensure that the case will be worked out and fully enumerated.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

I made full inquiry, and my information is that the enumerator did state that he would call again, but from that time up to the present, so far as my information goes, h* never has called again. Of course, I havt. no personal knowledge of the matter, but that is the information that comes to me after careful inquiry.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Was the house open all the time?

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

The house has been open all the time.

NATIONAL TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILWAY-REDUCTIONS ON OVERCLASSIFICATION, &c.

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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

I desire to ask the Minister of Railways (Mr. Graham) if the computations have been made which would enable him to inform the House as to what reductions have been made in expenditure on the Transcontinental in reference to over-classification, overbreak and matters of that kind. The minister will recollect that I asked him, some time ago, in reference to this, and if my recollection is correct that hon. gentleman told me he could not put it in figures at that time because the matter would involve a good deal of investigation before the result could be known. The investigation had been made by the arbitrators and data obtained on which a computation could be made, but at that time it had not been worked out. Perhaps he can inform the House whether that has been done, and if so what is the result, if not, what is the probability of the information being available within a short time.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

My recollection is that I gave a portion of the figures. But the report of the arbitrator was made in technical terms, and I was not at that time able to have it reduced to dollars and cents. I will make inquiry at once and see if the matter is in the form the hon. gentleman (Mr. Lennox) 'desires and will give him the information.

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ST. PETER'S RESERVE.

CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

I desire to ask the Superintendent General of Indian Affairs (Mr. Oliver) with regard to the official documents in the case of the St. Peter's Reserve. I understand that the Royal Commission of Manitoba has made an official request to the minister for the documents and that the understanding was that if the commission made the request the minister would grant it. The commission sits on the 24th instant and it will be difficult to proceed without these documents.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

The requests spoken of have been received, and measures are being taken to furnish the documents as requested, so far as we are able to do so.

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CHARGES AGAINST HON. MR.

OLIVER.

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Before the orders of the day are called I would like to ask the Prime _ Minister what is the reason of the delay in calling the committee which the right hon. gentleman moved for. a short time before the adjournment, to inquire into certain matters which, in his Mr. FISHER.

opinion, affected the status of the Minister of the Interior. A committee was moved for, was constituted, and I believe had one or two sessions, and was to resume work on the 18th instant. Up to the present time, so far as my information goes, there has been no attempt to call that committee together. If the matter was worthy of public attention, and necessitated the appointment of a committee, I would think it was especially worthy of expedition. I am at a loss to understand why the committee has not been called before this.

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Subtopic:   OLIVER.
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July 21, 1911