May 11, 1911

CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

I wish to make a further suggestion with reference to the Art Gallery. We have many valuable paintings,

I understand, in the fire trap at the Fisheries Exhibit on O'Connor street. They should be transferred to proper quarters as early as_ possible and we ought to have a decent art gallery for the people who come to visit Ottawa.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Every painting in the National Gallery which was in the Fisheries building, is now in the pew Museum, and has been for some weeks.

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Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

I was there within a very few weeks, and the removal had not been made then.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I was there more than a month ago, and they were there then.

Ottawa Public Buildings - Governments's share of cost of pavements, sidewalks, &c., laid down by municipal authorities in front of these buildings, $9,610.80.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

This is to pay our proper share towards the pavements laid down by the city.

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Morley Currie

Liberal

Mr. CURRIE (Simcoe).

Is the government prepared to pay its share of sidewalks in front of public buildings, in Mr. REID (Grenville)

other cities? We are doing it constantly in Ottawa, but I understand it is not done in other cities, especially in Toronto.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

We do the same in other cities in the case of a permanent pavement in front of a public building.

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Alexander Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART (Winnipeg).

For three or four years I have been trying to get something like this from the department in relation to the city of Winnipeg, but we have not seen the colour of their money yet. We get nice promises.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I do not think the hon. gentleman (Mr. Haggart, Winnipeg) has been looking lately to see how the matter stood. An order in council passed some little time ago for payment of the money to the city of Winnipeg. I presume it is paid. If not, it is going through the regular course of payment.

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LIB

Morley Currie

Liberal

Mr. CURRIE (Simcoe).

Does not the hon. member (Mr. Haggart, Winnipeg) know that it takes six months for money to go through the department?

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

There are one or two items in the way of payments of Indian annuities that it is of the utmost importance to have voted. These are matters of treaty, and we cannot explain to the Indians the rules of parliament which cause delay. One of these is an item 260. This is a group of Indian items, including the grant for annuities. But, to make the" vote of the annuities effective, we have to have the whole item. Then there is No. 264, which is in the same position. I would suggest that these might be passed witli the understanding that if there is anything to be discussed abundant opportunity shall be afforded later for the discussion.

Indians-Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and Northwest Territories, $673,186.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

The amount for annuities in this is $170,345. The whole item is a large one and might cause some discussion and inquiry.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Could not we have the item passed with the understanding that there will be no limitation to the discussion of it later on?

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

When the item is passed, there is no check. It is unfortunate to put us in that position.

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Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

All that we really need is the annuity money, as $170,345, but, in order to get that, apparently, we have to ask for the whole item.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

There is usually a good deal of inquiry about these votes, and a good deal of explanation required. It is not exactly reasonable to put through a half million in this way without an inquiry as to what is proposed, or what has been done in the past. That is hardly what might be expected of parliament.

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I had hoped the hon. gentleman (Mr. Sproule) would waive that objection, but if he presses it ~I cannot object.

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Alexander Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART (Winnipeg).

Do I understand that the annuity cannot be voted without the rest of the items?

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May 11, 1911