May 10, 1911

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

The first item is for steam service between Annapolis and English ports. That, I understand, is the continuation of an existing service; how frequent in the service?

Kir W1LFK1D LAUKiisK. me contractor for this service is the Acadia Steamship Company, Annapolis Royal. The steamships are: ' The Atlantis,' 704 tons net, 1.170 tons gross, ten knots ; ' The Kat-inka,' 702 tons net, 1,162 gross, ten knots; ' The Katie,' 034 tons net, l,U5h* gross, twelve knots; ' The Ada,' 639 tons net, 1,100 gross, ten knots. The contract calls for live voyages, $1,000 for each voyage.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The Acadia Steamship Company. The boats l nave just mentioned-' The Atlantis,' 'The Kat-inka,' ' The Katie,' and the 'Ada.'

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Air. CKUSBA@

Are they British boats?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Yes.

Air. BORDEN (Halifax}. Is there any contro'i over the rates lor freight?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Under all these subsidy contracts we have control ot rates

Mr. (JKOSJtJY. Who are the directors ot this company?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I am sure l do not know. 1 have not that information at hand.

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Mr. BORDEJN (Haiiiax).

1 suppose these boats are not htted up with cold storage accommodation.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

They have cooled air ventilation and fruit decks.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

Has the service been satisfactory?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

1 understand it has been fairly so. It has not been as frequent as it might have been.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BOBDEJN (Halifax).

Have there been any complaints of the conditions ot cargo landed on the other side?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

les,' occasionally.

ffir. BORDEN (Halifax). Have they been investigated?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Sometimes it has been found that the fault was with the company, and sometimes with tne snippers themselves-the fruit not very good when shipped. But the service has been fairly well performed.

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Adam Brown Crosby

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROSBY.

It seems to me strange that we should grant a subsidy to a company of which we do not know even the president, or the directors. It also seems to me strange to grant a subsidy to a steamship company to go to Annapolis and load apples when we have at the same time a company running from Halifax to the same port to which we grant a subsidy. I can see no reason for granting a further subsidy. [I am not conversant with the boats just mentioned, but I think we ought to have time to see whether these boats are British or Norwegian boats. We know that subsidies are being paid to foreign boats running from Canadian ports to the West Indies. Therefore, I say we should be careful, before we grant subsidies, to know something about the company, and something about the boats. The boats referred to as having a subsidy, from the city of Halifax particularly for this trade, are boats of the Furness Line, but the boats of that line are all British boats. That subsidy is granted to assist this particular trade, and amounts to $25,000 a year. I think that boats can be had to carry apples from Annapolis to the other side without any subsidy at all. I think Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

a subsidy granted to a line running from St. John to the West Indies which I do not think was very successful, and that subsidy was largely given to a Norwegian boat.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I dissent altogether from the statement that we have given a subsidy to Norwegian boats. We do not pay any subsidies except to British boats, no subsidy is given to any boats except they are on the British register. With regard to the directors of the company, I have the contract in the office, and it is easy to get the information the hon. gentleman (Mr. Crosby) asks for. But the question is not who the directors are, but whether the service is well performed, and if it is well performed, it is of no consequence who the directors of the company are. This subsidy is not a large one, the boats only make five trips in the autumn, and the object is to ship the apple crop of the Annapolis valley. I think that object is one which commends itself to the judgment of parliament.

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Judson Burpee Black

Liberal

Mr. BLACK.

The shipping of apples from the port of Annapolis is one of great moment to the people of the whole of that valley. Halifax is situated quite a distance from the fruit belt, and the haul to Halifax is a long one for Nova Scotia. Annapolis is right in the fruit belt, and the difference in freight means a good deal to the apple raisers. There is about 125 miles of a haul from Annapolis to Halifax, while the quantity of fruit produced near Annapolis, with a verv short haul, will load a steamer. It is of great moment to the fruit growers that their apples should be shipped direct from the port of Annapolis rather than from Halifax, after making a long haul.

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William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS.

The First Minister stated in regard to this line that the government had control of the rates. Am I right in assuming that that control applies to all lines to which subsidies are granted?

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May 10, 1911