May 10, 1911

CON

Charles Joseph Doherty

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY.

Well, the minister says that the one insurmountable obstacle is the fact that the commissioner is only getting

$5,000. We must conclude that if that obstacle were out of the way, the collector of customs at Montreal would be given a larger salary. If the minister's reason be well founded, that the commissioner of customs necessarily should be paid more than any collector

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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY.

That is a reasonable proposition, but it only follows that we ought to begin by increasing the commissioner's salary. It is not logical to say that you cannot raise the salary of the collector of customs at Montreal simply because you must keep it under what the commissioner gets. The reasonable way to remedy the situation would be to give the commissioner of customs what he ought to get.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

But I have not the power to put that in here.

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Charles Joseph Doherty

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY.

Possibly, but there are other ways in which that can be done. We are getting supplementaries every day or two.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

In the different departments there are more deputy ministers than one.

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Charles Joseph Doherty

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY.

In some departments there are deputies who get more than $5,000 per year.

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERVAIS.

I desire to call the attention of the Minister of Customs to the lew salary proposed to be paid to the appraisers. The increase of salaries to the appraisers is proposed to be made $4Q0 per year. I think the appraisers for the port of Montreal should have a salary of at least $3,500. If I had time to quote from the statistics of American ports. I should be able to show that ports of less importance in the United States of no greater importance than Montreal have collectors who receive salaries as high as $10,000 a year, and some of these American ports have appraisers whose salaries are as high as $6,000 per year. I repeat, then, that the salaries of the appraisers of the port of Montreal should be made at least $3,500.

At six o'clock, committee took Tecess.

' After Recess.

Committee resumed at eight o'clock.

Mr. SfKOULfci. wnat X desired to ascertain was how far this measure was bringing the outside service under the Civil Service Act.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

But it does. We have here introduced the schedule system to regulate salaries, then there would be increases following that system, and the clerks would be entitled to superannuation. Under part of the schedules we provide for an increase trom the minimum to the maximum, the same as under the Civil Service Act. Then you provide that a person who has served over three years as clerk in the outside service may be brought into the inside service after passing the departmental examination, and then he must be entirely under the Civil service Act. Will it attect their superannuation, or will It provide them a graded increase ot salary?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

The hon. gentleman will remember that there is tne old civil Service Act, and there was an amendment to that. This is an amendment to the old Civil Service Act, it is not an amendment to the amendment of the Civil Service Act, under which outsiders were brought in. This does not change their position in the least, except as regards tne schedule which was in the old Act. That we are amending, and we are increasing the maximum in the table that was in section 39 of the old Act. That is the only change.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPKOUEE.

Under the old Act they could come in without passing a qualifying examination.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATEKSON.

This is no step at all in the direction ot bringing them into the inside service.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPKOUEE.

When they come in under this Act, is there any annual increase to which they are entitled?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATEKSON.

No.

Resolution reported, read the second time, and agreed to.

Mr. PATEKSON moved tor leave to introduce Kill (No. 208) to amend the civil Service Act.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


INSPECTION AND SALE ACT AMENDMENT.


House again in committee on Bill (No. 153) to amend the Inspection and Sale Act Mr. GERVAIS as regards the weight ot a bushel and a bag of certain articles.-Mr. Fisher.


May 10, 1911