May 4, 1911

LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I could not at the moment, but I think it is only the reserve situated in the city of Vancouver, although I may be mistaken.

Topic:   THE INDIAN ACT.
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CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SHARPE (Ontario).

How does the minister interpret the word 'adjoining'?

Topic:   THE INDIAN ACT.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

That the reserve line will touch the line of the corporation.

Topic:   THE INDIAN ACT.
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CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SHARPE (Ontario).

What is the object and purpose of drawing the line in that way? If the principle is good why not apply it to all reserves? I do not say that the principle should be applied but if you are taking such arbitrary power to remove reserves in this manner why not. apply it to all reserves? The same argument would apply to a rural district where an Indian reserve is situated, as would apply to a city, although perhaps not quite so strongly.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

We recognize that the power asked for is arbitrary, and that it should not be exercised except under exceptional conditions, such exceptional conditions being that the land of the Indians,

by reason of their being contained within or adjoining a city, has reached an abnormal value altogether out of comparison with the original value or intention in the setting apart of the reserve, the result being that it is in the interest of the Indians that the townsite value which their reserve has attained should be translated into cash so that they may get the benefit of it rather than that they shall merely continue to occupy land having that value, but of which they are not getting the benefit.

Bill reported, read the third time and passed.

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DEPARTMENT OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS ACT AMENDMENT.


_ Mr. GRAHAM moved the second reading of Bill (No. 156) to amend the Department of Railways and Canals Act. He said: Mr. Speaker, the object of this Bill is to put upon the statute authority for the establishment of certain funds in connection with the management of the Intercolonial railway. As a matter of fact, these funds have been established in a way for some years. We have a fund, for instance, for the renewal of equipment, that is for the purchase of cars, and another for the renewal of rails. I want to establish one also to facilitate the payment of loss hy fire out of revenue where the loss should be paid out of the receipts of the road. In discussing this with the Finance Department, and with the Auditor General it was thought wise to amend the Act to give the department authority to establish these funds, so that there will be no question Irereafter about it or about the depositing of money in them, and the payment of money out of them. Motion agreed to, Bill read the second time, and House went into committee thereon. On section 1,


CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART (Lanark).

Have you at present any trouble in providing renewal of equipment under your general vote? What is the necessity of a suspense account?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Each month we set apart a certain sum for this purpose, and if at the end of the financial year this money has not been expended it remains in the fund. The intention is to carry the account on, so that we will have it to pay for, say, work under contract.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART (Lanark).

You are merely applying the money already voted to the intention of the appropriation?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Yes. .

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Does it mean that the minister has not to .come back for a revote, which has always been considered a salutary check? If the minister has $1,000,000 for a certain purpose, and he has spent $500,000 of it at the end of the year, he would now have to come back to parliament for a revote of the other $500,000? Does this propose that when once there is a vote of $1,000,000 there should be no reference to parliament again until he has expended that money, even though several years should elapse?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Hardly that. At present we lay aside $25,000 a month for railway equipment, and that is accounted for. Every railway company has to do something like that in order to carry on its business. The Auditor General thinks that possibly under the statute it is not clear he has the right to allow us to continue to do that. This money is merely to renew equipment out of railway revenue, and there would be little in the fund at the end of the year, but under the present system if there is $30,000 left, we have to pay it back to the consolidated fund and get it revoted.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

The idea of the Bill Is probably all right. The minister gave me the impression that the money would not have to be revoted, but I do not see anything in the Bill which would enable him to use the money unless it were revoted. It is, I suppose, a proposal more in the way of keeping the accounts than touching the basis of parliamentary appropriation.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

We have to keep to the rule in that respect.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART (Lanark).

How does the Auditor General get rid of the audit of this money?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Every dollar expended has to be audited by the Auditor General, when we take a certain amount out of a vote to pay for cars, this makes it legal. He audits every account the same as now.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART (Lanark).

This Bill does not alter the law of appropriation?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I do not think so.

Bill reported, read the third time, and passed.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF RAILWAYS AND CANALS ACT AMENDMENT.
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ST. JOHN VALLEY RAILWAY.

May 4, 1911