May 3, 1911

LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

The member for South Simcoe asked the same question a short time ago, and what I said was that the Chairman of the Canadian Railway Board and the Chairman of the Interstate Com-' merce Commission had met and discussed details which had been reported to the two governments. Further than that, nothing has been done.

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CON

William Sora Middlebro

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MIDDLEBRO.

It is alleged outside of the House that nothing further is being done until after the reciprocity agreement has been concluded.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

That might be alleged.

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CON

William Sora Middlebro

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MIDDLEBRO.

Is there any good reason why the treaty should not be consummated now, before the reciprocity (agreement? '

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I suppose 1 might answer that in the opinion of my hon. friend it might lead to annexation.

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CON

William Sora Middlebro

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MIDDLEBRO.

Might I suggest that one reason why it is not brought down is that it will lead the people of this country to believe that it will tend towards annexation.

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LIB

Morley Currie

Liberal

Mr. CURRIE (North Simcoe).

On this same topic, I suppose the minister will have no objection to lay that report on the table, now that he has announced to the House that such a report has been made?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Most assuredly we have an objection to laying the report on the table. It is a report made by the representatives of the two governments, and until the government takes action upon it, it would not be proper to lay it on the table.

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CON

William Sora Middlebro

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MIDDLEBRO.

I read the details of this treaty in an American magazine six weeks ago. They seem to have in the United States all the details of this treaty, as they usually do of all treaties, while we are kept in the dark.

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WAYS AND MEANS-RECIPROCAL TRADE WITH THE UNITED STATES.


Mr. FIELDING moved that the House again go into Committee of Ways and Means.


CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR (Leeds).

Mr. Speaker, before you leave the Chair-, I want to refer to the fact that last evening I purposed saying a few words in reference to the treaty that has been entered into between this government, and the United States government. Neither of the gentlemen who negotiated the treaty was present in the House, nor was the Prime Minister, who I presume was the chief mover in the whole arrangement.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I was here.

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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR (Leeds).

These three gentlemen were absent. I objected. I thought it was the duty of all of them to be present to defend the agreement which they had made, and to give information to hon. gentlemen on this side of the House at all times while this debate was going on. I inquired of the ministers in charge of the House. There appeared to be three of them-the hon. the Minister of Public Works, the hon. Minister of Inland Revenue, and the hon. Minister of Labour; and I said I did not purpose going on until some one of the trio was present. I said this:

I think it is due when a gentleman is dic-ouesing this question -that these ministers who made this bargain should be -present. So far as I am concerned, I insist upon it. It is the right of gentlemen speaking to have these gentlemen present.

Mr. PU-GSLEY. I would be very sorry to say that to my hon. friend. I understand that my hon. friend the Minister of Finance will not be able (to be present -this evening, but I will send and find out. Perhaps my hon. friend wi-lil proceed, and I will 6end for him in the meantime.

From what the Minister of Public Works said about the Minister of Finance I understood that he was not well, and I immediately said that I would not expect him under the circumstances, but that I did expect the Minister of Customs and the Prime Minister. This morning I read in the morning ' Citizen ' that the Minister of Finance was occupying a box at the Horse Show last night. That showed the interest that he took in attending to this pact. I went on with the discussion in the absence of the Minister of Customs;' but after half an hour or so he came into the House feeling very sore about having been called out of his bed to come up here. He had gone home and gone quietly to bed, and had left this agreement to be taken care of without him, or the Minister of Finance, or the Prime Minister.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I was here the whole time.

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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR (Leeds).

Then I went on and referred to the fact that on the 6th of April the hon. meniher for Grenville (Mr. Reid) had made a speech with the Speaker in the Chair, and that after having made his speech, he nlaced on ' Hansard ' some valuable statistics containing information that we could not get either from the Prime Minister, or from his diplomats who had gone to the United States to make this bargain. After the hon. member for Grenville had made his speech, the Minister of Customs said: ' I think it would be just as well to put a little appendix to the statement that will appear at length'. I stated then that it was my intention to perform a surgical operation upon that appendix, and to dissect it, and when I got through I thought the hon. Minister of Customs would regret having made the speech he did. Then I went on discussing his speech, and after a time the Chairman of the committee ruled me out of order. Now, Mr. Speaker, I want to know whether I am in order, with the Speaker in the Chair, to discuss a speech made by the Minister of Customs when the Speaker was in the Chair. I was ruled out of order last night because the Chairman said I was referring to a previous debate. If that ruling was correct, I certainly have a right to discuss the speech of the Minister of Customs now, and I purpose doing so.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

It is difficult to perform a surgical operation with the patient absent.

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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR (Leeds).

I had it about half performed when I was called to order. This is what I read from ' Hansard ' of the 6th of April:

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

I think, perhaps, it would be just as well to put a little appendix to the statement that will appear at length. I have no objection 'to it, in fact, I am rather pleased it has gone in. I was going to ask the hon. member what hiis object is in putting this in.

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CON

Samuel Barker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARKER.

If the hon. gentleman is pleased that they have gone in we need not waste time in discussing it.

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May 3, 1911