May 2, 1911

CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

He said otherwise in his information.

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LIB

Henry Horton Miller

Liberal

Mr. MILLER.

I am not sure Mr. McCarthy said there were others.

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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

In his protest to the minister he alleged that he had then certain clients and that many others had been defrauded on the same lines.

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LIB

Henry Horton Miller

Liberal

Mr. MILLER.

I think the writ issued was issued on behalf of those named and of others and of those who might choose to come in and be made parties to the action.

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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

And mentioned some others.

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LIB

Henry Horton Miller

Liberal

Mr. MILLER.

Mr. McCarthy sends

evidence to the Minister of Finance that whether the fraud had been committed by the_ agents who were soliciting stock subscriptions or by any one else, the dissatisfied subscribers had been satisfied, and that their money or notes had been handed back. The point made by the hon. member

for North Toronto (Mr. Foster) that Travers' affidavit, when he filed it with a list of shareholders, was a false affidavit, because the names of some of Mr. McCarthy's clients appeared as stockholders, although a few days before Mr. McCarthy had stated that they had parted with and sold their stock, is not wedl taken. There is no evidence of untruth in that affidavit. Only a few days elapsed between the time of Mr. McCarthy's letter and of Travers' affidavit. Travers could only make that affidavit by taking his list of shareholders from the stock list as recorded in the books of the bank, and a dozen others might have been shareholders whose names would not appear because they had recently purchased stock from other parties for consideration, and the transfers had not been completed in the books of the company. Even although Mr. Travers had known of such transfers he could not say in his affidavit that these people were shareholders; the shareholders for the time were the men whose names were properly entered as shareholders in the bank's stock lists, who had not yet completed the assignment or transfer of their stock on the books. One hon.

member to-day said that the granting of a license was equal to a guarantee by the government, and was evidence that the Farmers' Bank was a proper and safe place in which to deposit money. It would be just as logical to say that if the Minister of Agriculture issued a patent on a certain device which was claimed to be able to do certain things, that would be a guarantee by the minister to the people that they might invest their money in the p'urchase of that device, and that he guaranteed by giving the patent that it would do the work claimed for it. I think this is altogether an unfair attack that does no credit to the gentlemen who make it.

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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

You are not the judge.

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LIB

Henry Horton Miller

Liberal

Mr. MILLER.

Hon. gentlemen will judge for themselves, but let me tell hon. gentlemen how other people judge of the attack made on the Minister of Finance. Some little time ago I received a letter from the constituency of an hon.member opposite who had made such an attack. This letter was from a very respectable gentleman who had occupied a very high municipal position, and he said:

I have never voted other than a Conservative vote in my life, but after reading the attack made by our member on Mr. Fielding, for whom I have the greatest possible respect and for whom the country has the greatest possible respect, I will never again vote for the gentlemen who made that attack.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Name, name.

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LIB

Henry Horton Miller

Liberal

Mr. MILLER.

No; I do not want to make hon. gentlemen on the othe'r side feel too bad, and one of them would feel very bad if I were to publish the name. But, while it is unfair to the Minister of Finance for hon. gentlemen to make these attacks, yet they are doing neither themselves nor their party any good when they make them.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I think my hon. friend (Mr. Miller) should furnish the name of

the gentleman to whom he has referred.

House divided on amendment (Mr

Lennox).

YEAS: Messieurs.

Ames, Lennox,

Armstrong, Macdonell,

Arthurs, McCall,

Barker, McCarthy,

Barnard, Magrath,

Blain, M'eighen,

Borden (Halifax). Middlebro,

Broder, Nantel,

Burrell, Northrup,

Campbell, Paquet,

Chisholm (Huron), Perley,

Cowan, Reid (Grenville),

Crosby, Roche,

Crocket, Schaffner,

Crothers, Sexsmitli,

Currie (Simcoe), Sharpe (Lisgar),

Daniel, s Sharpe (Ontario),

Donnelly, Smyth,

Edwards, Sproule.

Elson, Stanfield,

Foster, Staples, Taylor (Leeds),

Fraser,

Gilbert, Tavlor (New

Goodeve, Westminster),

Haggart (Lanark), Thoburn,

Haggart (Winnipe; ;), Thornton,

Henderson, Wallace,

Herron, White (Renfrew),

Jameson, Wilcox,

Kidd, Wilson (Lennox and

Lake, Addington' and

Lalor, Wright.-63.

Lancaster,

NAYS: Messieurs.

Allard, McIntyre,

Allen, McKenzie,

Aylesworth (Sir Allen),McMillan,

Bdland, Marcile (Bagot),

Brodeur, Martin (Montreal,

Bureau, Ste. Mary's)

Carvell, Martin (Regina),

Champagne, Martin (Wellington),

Chisholm (Antigonish),Meigs,

Chisholm (Inverness), Michaud,

Clark (Red Deer), Clarke (Essex), Congdon,

Currie (Prince Edward),

Demers,

Devlin,

Doug! as,

Miller, Molloy, Murphy, Nesbitt, Neely, Oliver, Papineau, Pardee,

Dubeau,

Ecrement,

Fisher,

Fortier,

Fowke,

Gauvreau,

German,

Gervais,

Girard,

Gladu,

Graham,

Guthrie,

Hedging,

Hunt,

King,

Knowles,

Kyte,

Lanetot (Laprairie-Napierville), Lanetot (Richelieu),

Parent,

Paterson,

Pickup,

Proulx,

Prowse,

Pugsley,

Rankin,

Reid (Restigouche), Richards,

Rivet,

Robb.

Ross (Middlesex), Ross (Rimouski), Roy (Montmagny), Rutan,

Savoie,

Sealey,

Seguin,

Sinclair,

Smith (Middlesex),

Laurier (Sir Wilfrid),Smith (Nanaimo),

Law. LeBlanc, Loggie, Lovell,

Sperry, Templeman, Tobin,

Todd,

Low, Tureotte (Nicolet),

Macdonald, Turgeon,

MacNutt, Turriff,

McAllister, Verville,

McCoig, Warburton and

McColl, White (Victoria,

McCraney, Alta.)-97.

McGiverin, PAIRS: Messieurs.

Ministerial. Opposition.

Borden (Sir F.), Porter,

Lemieux, Doherty,

Stratton, Gordon (Nipissing)

Harris, [DOT] Beattie,

Talbot, Owen,

Brown. Lortie,

Bickerdike, Hughes,

Geoffrion, Monk,

Harty, Osier,

Cash, Boyce,

Chew, Clare,

Conmee, Worthington,

Gordon (Kent), Bristol,

Black, Marshall,

Emmerson, Forget, .

McLean (Huron), Lewis.

Tolmie, Maddin,

Schell, Price,

Smith (Stormont), Stewart,

Wilson (Laval), Blondin,

Beauparlant, Best,

McLean (Sunbury) , Rhodes,

Lafortune, Bradbury,

Tur eotte (Quebec). Russell.

Amendment negatived.

At six o'clock, House took recess.

After Recess.

House resumed at eight o'clock.

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NEW ONTARIO AND QUEBEC RAILWAY COMPANY.


House in committee on Bill (No. 170) to incorporate the New Ontario and Quebec Railway Company.


CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

I have an amendment to that Bill, of which notice has been given. The hon. member for Nipissing (Mr. Gordon) is in charge of the Bill, and he is not present. It might not be fair to go on in his absence.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I do not know much about the Bill myself, but we postponed it two nights in succession on account of the absence of the hon. member for Lincoln (Mr. Lancaster).

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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

I want to be fair with the hon. member for Nipissing.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Well, let it stand.

Progress reported.

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TORONTO HARBOUR COMMISSION.


House in committee on Bill (No. 175) to amend and consolidate the Acts relating to the harbour of Toronto. On section 16,


May 2, 1911