May 2, 1911

CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

I have asked a very simple question of the First Minister, and his reply to me is not a reply at all. I will prefer the question again so that he will understand it.

Topic:   PERSONAL EXPLANATION-HON.
Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr SPEAKER.

I must remind the hon. member that there is a way of asking questions prescribed in the rules. It is only a matter of courtesy that a minister can be asked to answer a question at this stage.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

Mr. Speaker, you surely are not ruling me out of order for asking a legitimate question of the First Minister on a matter of very great public importance. I again ask the First Minister for what purposes were those sums expended, and was such expenditure for political or personal purposes. I think that is a legitimate question, and I would like an answer.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Under the rules of the House the hon. member must give two days' notice of such a question before a minister can be asked to answer.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

If the Tight hon. the-First Minister-[DOT]

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Order. The point cannot be discussed now.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

I am not going to discuss the point.

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Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. gentleman is out of order.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

I wish to ask another question.

Topic:   PERSONAL EXPLANATION-HON.
Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

Am I in order, Mr. Speaker?

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Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. minister cannot be required to answer if notice is not given of the question.

Topic:   PERSONAL EXPLANATION-HON.
Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

The question I wish to ask is a perfectly fair question, and I am absolutely within my rights or I would not be standing here. The question is, was the account spoken of, a trust account, and was it so designated? If so, what was the nature of the trust, and on whose behalf?

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. member will have to give notice of his question.

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Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

Well, I accept your ruling, Mr. Speaker, but I have a question which I would like to ask. Acting on the precedent of the Hodgins charges, does the First Minister propose any investigation in this matter?

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Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Order. Government orders.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to a question of privilege upon the question raised by my hon. friend Mr. Oliver. I move:

That a special committee of five members be appointed to investigate the matter referred to this day by Mr. Oliver, a member of this House, and that the said committee be entrusted with full power to send for persons and papers, and report from time to time.

With regard to the form of motion, I would ask the Clerk to complete it wiih regard to examining witnesses under oath, and so on.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

The mption is in rather indefinite terms. What does the Prime Minister understand to be the scope *of the proposed investigation?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I understand the scope of the investigation to be just what has been mentioned by the Minister of the Interior, that he is charged with having recommended an order in council whereby a certain quantity of lands supposed to be swamp lands were traded for other lands, and that in connection with the matteT the sum of $50,000 was paid to Mr. Oliver.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BORDEN (Halifax).

With regard to the form of the motion, perhaps it might stand over until to-morrow.

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Subtopic:   FRANK OLIVER,
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May 2, 1911