March 10, 1911

SUMMARY.


Items. Value of Work done to December 31, 1910. Value of Work required to complete. Total Estimate of cost of work. Grading-contract, items, including clearing, excavation, culverts, sub-structures of bridges, tracklaying, ballasting, ties, signals, interlocking appliances, telegraph lines, fencing, water supply, track scales, temporary trestles and extra work, also pump houses and pumps, and sub-structure of Cap Rouge viaduct Right of Way-and expenses Rails and Fastenings-including frogs, switches and diamond x'ings... Buildings-including stations, section and tool houses and divisional point buildings .. Steel Superstructure of Bridges-includingflooring Surveys-and expenses Engineering-and expenses Springfield Shops-locomotive shop plant and equipment, including water supply, sewerage system and lighting Car shop plant and equipment Terminals at Quebec-and line from Quebec bridge to Quebec city Rentals-of joint terminals at Winnipeg Headquarters-salaries and expenses Total 69,176,400 1.629.900 8.534.900 664,800 3.342.100 3,987,000 4,398,500 1,117,800 Nil. 19,000 105,000 1.605.100 94,580,500 28,175,800 1.910.100 4.037.100 3.644.200 2,242,900 26,000 2.712.000 1.227.200 1.300.000 4.419.000 95,000 969,900 50,759,200 97,352,200 3.540.000 12,572,000 4.309.000 5.585.000 4.013.000 7,110,500 2.345.000 1.300.000 4.438.000 200,000 2.575.000 145,339,700 Ottawa, February 21, 1911.


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Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Does that include the interest charged?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I do not think it does.

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Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Will the minister let us have a statement of interest to date, to show how much the money has cost us?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I think there is now on the Order Paper a question as to that, which the. Finance Department is to answer. This statement is, I think, more complete than any I have been able to give to- the House before, as previous statements did not include the terminals.

In this connection I might mention that the portion of the line from Winnipeg, or, more, strictly speaking, from a point east of Winnipeg, to Superior Junction has been operated during the last few months in assisting to carry the wheat crop of the Mr. GRAHAM.

H. MacPHERSON,

Aest. Chief Engineer.

west to- the east, joining with the Grand Trunk Pacific's own line at Superior Junction. and the traffic being carried from there to its own elevators at Fort William. The arrangement made with the Grand Trunk Pacific Company I have not yet laid on the table, but I propose to do so.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Is it operating regular passenger trains?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I think not. It is operated rather as a contractor's road than as a finished line; but we were anxious that the people of the west- should have the benefit of this other line.

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William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SHARPE (Lisgar).

How much did they carry?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I gave that a few weeks ago.

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William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SHARPE (Lisgar).

What rates did they charge?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I have no information as to that, but I imagine they would have to be the same as those of the Canadian Pacific railway and the Canadian Northern. I can ascertain that for my hon. friend.

Another question of great importance, which has been discussed a good deal in the House, is that of the settlement of disputes between the Grand Trunk Pacific Company and the Transcontinental Company as to overclassificaiion and over-hreak. The inspecting engineers of the Grand Trunk Pacific railway and the engineers- of the Transcontinental Railway Commissioners met and adjusted some of the differences. These settlements involved reductions from the contractors' estimates as follows:

District * F '-Contractor J. D. McArthur, $73,022.20.

District ' A '-Contractors Lyons and White, $16,219.10.

District ' B '-Contractors M. P. and J. T. Davis, $1,714.60; Contractors Macdonell and O'Brien, $22,116.02. Total, $113,071.92.

The chief engineer of the company and the chief engineer of the commission were also able to agree in the determination of a portion of the disputes with respect to overbreak on the McArthur contract, which involved a deduction from the contractor's estimates of the sum of $173,667.09. The other point, which is not yet determined, is in reference to 106 cuttings on the McArthur contract. On this the engineers could not agree and they called in the arbitrator, Mr. Collingwood Schreiber. Mr. Schreiber has made a report, which was concurred in by the chief engineer of the Grand Trunk Pacific Company, and the chief engineer of the commission. It is difficult for a layman like myself to arrive at the exact meaning of the report on account of its technical nature; but in discussing the matter with the chief engineer, I find that, in order to ascertain definitely the result of the award in regard to these 106 cuttings, the engineers are now busy figuring it out, and I hope to have their report at an eaTly date.

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Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

I have heard it stated that there had been a reduction made of about $500,000. Is there any report to that effect5

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Is that including" classification, rock cutting and over-break together?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I think not. I asked the engineers to put this in figures as they had it the same way, and I was at a loss to give the House what I thought information, and they put this part of their agreement into figures for me. The chief engineer of

the commission the other day said he was unable to tell me what this would amount to. I could make a guess but it would not be information to the House, and might only lead the House astray, but as there are disputes on 106 cuttings, one would suppose it would be quite a considerable amount. This note is given me:

Mr. Schreiber's award was made on the 19th of January, ultimo, and was concurred in by the chief engineer of the company and the chief engineer of the commission. In regard to this award the chief engineer of the commission reports as follows: With reference to the award on the 106 cuttings which were referred to the third arbitrator, I am unable to say what amount will he deducted until the various awards for solid rock, loose rock, common excavation, train-haul and over-haul on train-hauled material has been worked out by the division engineers for their respective divisions.

These 106 rock cuttings and over-breaks with the items in reference to over-classification covered all the objections raised by the Grand Trunk Pacific as to classification and over-break and practically will form a settlement of the difference between the Grand Trunk Pacific and the Transcontinental Railway Commission.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Has the minister given the figures with reference to the eastern section between Quebec and Moncton?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

They are all in the return which I placed on ' Hansard '.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Can the minister give more information with regard to the time of completion of the Quebec bridge?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

I have not been discussing that topic, but expect before long to satisfy all curiosity and place the papers on the table. The time given by the various tenders runs from three to five years.

Another question of vital interest to the people of all Canada is the Welland canal. This canal has a very interesting history. It forms one of the most important links in the waterways transportation on this continent. There has been a good deal of discussion as to the. proprietv of further developing this waterway and in order that I may say a few words intelligently about that I wish to read a concise history of the size, capacity and cost of the Welland canal as it is to-day.

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March 10, 1911