January 17, 1911

CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Well, the minister is a little more frank this year than last. I might remind him that in the province of Ontario, when a public building was being erected a year or two ago, his department expended a little over $600 in advertising for tenders. Does he not think that it is a 'pretty large sum?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Quite large, but if the advertisement had been published in the papers on both sides it would have been larger.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

The hon. gentleman took good care not to advertise in papers on both sides. What I stated last year is equally applicable now. I pointed out that the minister selected the papers in this district giving the least publicity, that is, the newspapers having the very largest circulation in that district were not used, but, in the papers having a much less circulation the advertisement was printed. I am glad to have this frank admission from the minister. I suppose I must not press it too strongly. He has laid down the policy that, whatever may have been done in the past, for the future advertisements will be published only in newspapers supporting the

government and Liberal Conservative newspapers need not apply. That is a frank statement of the policy of the government and of the present minister.

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LIB

James Robert Stratton

Liberal

Mr. STRATTON.

Just like the Ontario government.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

No doubt the hon. gentleman (Mr. Stratton) refers to the Ontario government of which he was a member, and so he knows all about it. I am sorry that I have to differ with my hon. friend from North Ontario (Mr. Sharpe). We do not often differ. This government has other ways of selecting sites than by sending a man to select them. Here is an announcement in a newspaper:

A public meeting of local Liberals was held last night for the purpose of recommending to the government a site for the proposed post office. Four sites were decided on. The final vote gave the Murray property a majority of six over the Watt property.

That is another way of selecting a site, and my hon. friend (Mr. Sharpe, Ontario) must add that to the one to which he has referred. Now, if the Minister of Public Works would devise as clear cut a policy in deciding what towns should have post offices as he has in respect to advertising, the opposition would know where he stands on this question.

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LIB

James Robert Stratton

Liberal

Mr. STRATTON.

Was not the property purchased in the case referred to the one that the committee did not recommend?

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I am not discussing that. I am pointing out that there is another way of selecting sites than that previously referred to. Would the hon. gentleman (Mr. Stratton) suggest that the Liberals were not called together to discuss the matter?

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LIB

James Robert Stratton

Liberal

Mr. STRATTON.

I understand that the citizens of Fergus-that being the case referred to, I believe-were asked to vote, not particularly upon the site, but upon the locality in which the public building should be erected.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I have read the exact words of the newspaper. I am not saying whether the site selected was the proper one or not, nor am I discussing the question whether the government selected the site recommended, or another. I am saying that this is one of the so called non-political ways of selecting the sites for public buildings. There is no suggestion that in this case any Liberal Conservative was consulted. There is nothing to show that the town council or the board of trade was consulted. But the Liberals were called together to tell the government what sites should be selected for a post office. What we complain of is that we cannot find out the policy of the

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

government in this matter. These hon. gentlemen are constantly telling us that they have reformed the departments, that now there are no patronage lists, and the departments are administered without reference to politics. And the hon. gentleman knows that that is not the case. As I have said, if the government would have a policy with respect to public buildings and selection of towns in which they are to be constructed, then if members on this side asked for buildings in towns that did not measure up to the government standard and they were refused, there would be no complaint. But the minister does not lay down any fixed policy. Sometimes it is a matbqr of population, sometimes of growing revenue, sometimes of a shire town, sometimes of a great outlook for the future. All these are policies, and each of them is used as the interests of hon. gentlemen opposite decide. We have a right to expect an hon. gentleman occupying a foremost position in the government, as does the Minister of Public Works, to teach the Canadian people a new lesson of how the department should be administered. Our complaint is not that a building should be erected here or there; our complaint is the lack of policy on the part of the government in the erection of public buildings.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

I wish to refer to a matter

of expenditure, which, were there an item in the estimates, would come in at this point. In the minister's report, referring to Nominingue, we are told that repairs were made in the public building there, and there is a' second item with reference to the immigration building. Are there two public buildings in this village of Nominingue, and if so what possible reason can there be for erecting them?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I see from the report which- the hon. gentleman (Mr. Perley) kindly sent me that there are two items referring to Nominingue. I suppose that there were two items for work done, but my deputy tells me that there is only one public building in Nominingue.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

What possible reason can there have been for providing a public building in the small village of Nominingue, in the northern part of the county of Labelle? And especially, what has the hon. gentleman's (Mr. Pugsley's) department to do with an immigration building in a place of that kind?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

It is altogether for the purpose of an immigration building I think this was bought before I became minister, and therefore I am not personally aware of the facts. But, as I understand it, there are large numbers of people immigrating into the Lake St. John and Roberval dis-

trict, and it was thought desirable by the government at that time, I suppose, to erect a building where immigrants could be accommodated pending their being distributed to different parts of the district for settlement. _

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

I would like to correct the hon. minister. This is not in the Lake St. oJhn district at all, it is hundreds of miles away.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

It is in Labelle district, is it not? I call all that district of northern Quebec for one or two hundred miles the Lake St. John district. I understam that Lake Nominingue is west of Lake St John, perhaps a hundred or a hundrec and fifty miles west. At all events, it it a section of country into which immigrant? were going in considerable numbers. Thert is another immigration building at Rober val, which is right in the Lake St. Join district.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

The minister is arguinc on a false premise. Lake St. John emptie into the Saguenay river, and I believe a good many immigrants have gone up inti that country. But Nominingue is north . the town of Hawkesbury.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Has not the Canadh; Pacific railway been extended in recent years up towards Lake Nominingue.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

The Canadian Pacific railway has a branch to Lake Nominingue, but it does not go where any immigrants have gone in, that is, people who come from outside the country. Many people have gone in there from other parts of the province of Quebec. But I cannot see what the Dominion government has to di with any building for immigration, or an other purpose in a place like Nominingue

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

That was put up som years ago.

Quebec custom house, $70,000.

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January 17, 1911