November 30, 1910

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Some hon. MEMBERS

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Pierre Édouard Blondin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLONDIN.

That is exactly where the hon. gentleman (Mr. Brodeur) is at fault. The [DOT] statements reported included some words which I uttered, but also some words which I never uttered, so that the sense was different from that conveyed in what I said. I intended, in order to make this matter plain, to translate this article and leave it for the House to judge. The article is entitled, ' M. L. P. Brodeur,' and in it the minister is charged with having deceived the House. I do not know whether

I am qualified to translate to the House-

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

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James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The point of order i3 raised, I would like to hear it stated.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

As I understand it, the Minister of Marine and Fisheries made a certain explanation, and stated that the words which he had quoted as coming from my hon. friend from Champlain (Mr. Blondin) had been published in ' Le Devoir '. The question now is, I take it, whether or not those words were from ' Le Devoir

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Richard Stuart Lake

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAKE.

I understood that objection was taken to an article published in * Le Devoir '. Surely, this House should know what that article was.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

Mr. Speaker

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James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The point of order has been raised, and hon. members must speak to that point of order.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

There were three extracts quoted by me and attributed to the hon. member (Mr. Blondin)

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

If the hon. gentleman (Mr. Foster) wishes me to state the point of order

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James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I understand that the minister refers to one article, and the hon. member for Champlain (Mr. Blondin) to another. The point of order is what I would like to hear discussed.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

It is for the purpose of discussing that that I rose. The article published by * Le Devoir * is absolutely offensive and injurious.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I submit that the ministep is not speaking to the point of order, but is discussing the first question. Tou have already ruled, Mr. Speaker, that nothing but the point of order is to be discussed. I propose to hold the minister to that discussion and nothing else.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

If the hon. gentleman will allow me to state what the point of order is, he can raise objection if I wander from it. But, if he does not give me an opportunity to state the point as I understand it, it will not be easy for me to please him. Here is an article which is absolutely offensive and injurious to a member of this House, as it states that the member has purposely deceived the House. I say that such action should not be attributed to any member of this House

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Would you, Mr. Speaker, be kind enough to state the point of order that was raised?

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

I do not know why my hon. friend (Mr. Foster) will not allow me to state the point of order as I understand it, which is what I am trying to do.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

But the hon. gentleman will not state the point of order.

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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of the Naval Service; Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

This article charges me with having absolutely deceived the House, with having stated a thing which I knew to be incorrect. I say that it is' not permitted to any member of this House to make such a statement concerning another. If one member does attribute to another such an attempt to deceive the House, he is called to order and must withdraw the statement. Well, if it is not permissible for a member of this House to make such a statement, would it be permissible for a member to rise in his seat and read an article of a newspaper in which a' statement of a similar kind was made? That is the point of order I am making. I say the rules of the House prohibit absolutely such an offensive statement being made by hon; members, and members have no rieht either to read from a newspaper a like statement. That is the point of order I make, and I appeal for your ruling.

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November 30, 1910