May 3, 1910

CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

In addition?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Yes, the amount paid to the commission will be $40,000 in addition to what is already being paid, and $15,000 into the city treasury. There will be $100,000 to the Ottawa Improvement Commission.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

And how about the $100,000 for the purchase of the hotel site?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

That goes to the Ottawa Improvement Commission.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. U. WILSON.

Has the government always had to pay for water and fire protection?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Yes, and no. Prior to making the arrangement under which the Ottawa Improvement Commission was established, the Dominion paid $15,000 into the city treasury for fire protection and water. When the commission was constituted, we took that $15,000 and turned it over to the commission and added $45,000, making a total of $60,000. We propose, under these resolutions, to pay $100,000 to the commission and $15,000 direct to the city treasury for fire protection and water.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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IND

William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. W. F. MACLEAN.

Has it ever struck the Finance Minister that, in carrying out these improvements in Ottawa, in connection with the commission, the government, if it has not the foresight to acquire lands before improvements are made, is supply-

ing money to put up the price of real estate which the government itself must subsequently buy? I think that, in connection with this matter, the government ought to have a well defined policy for acquiring any additional lands needed for governmental purposes, and the sooner they do it the more economically it can be done.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I believe that thought was expressed years ago in the days of Sir John Macdonald, but I am told that Sir John expressed the opinion that it w'as not the business of the government to traffic in real estate, that if they wanted real estate for public purposes, they ought to buy it at the current rates. Perhaps that is too broad a statement, but we certainly do not want to buy a lot of property and have it lying idle.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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IND

William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. W. F. MACLEAN.

The hon. minister (Mr. Fielding) does not accept that statement?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I do not say we should, not look ahead at all, but I say we should not buy a lot of property merely to have it lie idle. We should look ahead, but not^ too far ahead.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

It seems to me that the government is dealing pretty generously, with the city of Ottawa. The government gave the dity $60,000 for twenty years, making $1,200,000. We are going to give them $40,000 for ten years, making $400,000, and $15,000 a year, I suppose in perpetuity?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

No, for ten years. But it would be a reasonable expectation that it would be paid hereafter

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

That makes at least $150,000 more, a total of $1,750,000. In addition, we have handed over $100,000, the proceeds of the sale of land for the hotel site, so that Ottawa gets the benefit of about $2,000,000. I think Ottawa is faring pretty well. As long as Ottawa can get these grants, it will not be slow to ask them and to find reasons that will justify the putting forward of claims every few years for something additional.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

As it is not the policy of the government to speculate in land, and as the government made a tidy speculation in Toronto under which they profited to the extent of .$300,000 by the deal in the Garrison common, I suppose they will turn over that money as conscience money to the city of Toronto?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Or, perhaps, it would be better to hold it against other speculations in *which we have not made money.

Bill reported, and read the third time, and passed.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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Mr. W. F.@

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-TRADE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   OTTAWA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION.
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MACLEAN


Mr. FIELDING moved concurrence in amendments made by the Senate to Bill (No. 205) to amend the Civil Service Act. He said: The amendment appears to be the correction of some figures in the salary list of the Inland Revenue Department. A certain class of clerks are stated in the Bill to have salaries of from $1,500 to $1,600. This should have read from $1,300 to $1,600- a correction of what appears to be a typographical error. Motion agreed to, and amendments concurred in. .


GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS ACT AMENDMENT.


Bill (No. 232) to amend the Government Railways Act-Mr. Graham-was read the second time and House went into committee thereon.


May 3, 1910