May 3, 1910

LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I desire to submit a list of the newspapers in which the Leamington, Ont., the Welland, Ont., the Whitby, Ont., and the Dauphin, Man., public buildings were advertised, as follows:

Leamington, Ont., Public Building.

Ottawa, Ont., ' Danebrog ' $ 4 50

Amherstburg, Ont., ' Echo ' 6 75

Brantford, Ont.. * Expositor ' 9 0ft

Ottawa, Ont., ' Le Temps ' 18 00

Chatham, Ont., ' Le Canadien ' .. .. 7 80

Chatham, Ont., ' News ' 9 00

Leamington, Ont., ' News ' 4 50

Belleville, Ont., ' Ontario ' 9 00

Blenheim, Ont., ' News ' 5 85

Comber, Ont., ' Herald ' 6 75

Dresden, Ont., * Times $ 6 75

Essex, Ont., ' Free Press ' 6 75

Highgate, Ont., ' Monitor ' 6 75

Ridgetown, Ont., ' Plaindealer ' .. .. 6 75

Kingston, Ont., ' Whig ' 13 95

Brockville, Ont., ' Recorder ' 8 10

Guelph, Ont., ' Mercury ' 9 00

Peterborough, Ont., ' Times ' 6 24

Hamilton, Ont., ' Times ' ,. .. 18 20

Kingston, Ont., 'Freeman' 9 00

Hamilton, Ont., ' Herald ' 15 60

London, Ont., ' Echo '

9 00London, Out., ' Advertiser '

15 60Ottawa, Ont., ' Free Press '

19 50Toronto, Ont., ' Congregationalist ' .. 5 20Toronto, Ont., ' Globe '

23 40Toronto, Ont., * Star '

23 40Toronto, Ont., ' Truth '

5 20Sarnia, Ont., ' Observer '

9 00Stratford, Ont., ' Beacon '

9 00Thamesville, Ont., ' Herald '

6 75Tilbury, Ont., ' Times '

6 75Wallaceburg, Ont., ' Herald '

6 75Wheatley, Ont., ' Journal '

6 75Windsor, Ont., 'Record'

9 00Woodstock, Ont., 'Sentinel Review'.. 9 00 Peterborough, Ont., ' Examiner * .. .. 10 40

Welland, Ont., Public Building.

Kingston, Out., ' Freeman '

9 00Peterborough, Ont., ' Times '

6 00Peterborough, Ont., ' Examiner ' ______ 10 00St. Thomas, Ont., 'Journal'

9 00Windsor, Ont., ' Record '

9 00Woodstock, Ont., ' Sentinel-Review '.. 9 0t)Belleville, Ont., ' Ontario '

9 00Beamsville, Ont., ' Express '

5 40Brantford, Ont., ' Expositor '

9 00Cayuga, Ont., ' Advocate '

5 85Chatham, Ont., ' Le Canadien' .... 5 00Chatham, Ont., ' News '

9 00Dunnville, Ont., ' Reform Press ' .. .. 4 50Hamilton, Ont., ' Herald '

15 00Hamilton, Ont., ' Times '

17 50Ingersoll, Ont., ' Chronicle '

9 00Kingston, Ont., ' Whig '

13 95London, Ont., ' Advertiser '

15 00London, Ont., ' Echo '

10 00Niagara Falls, Ont., ' Review '.... 6 75Niagara on the Lake, Ont., ' Times '.. 5 85Ottawa, Ont., ' Free Press '

18 75Paris, O'nt., 'Star Transcript'.... 5 00Stratford, Ont., ' Beacon '

9 00St. Catherines, Ont., 'Journal' .... 9 00

Toronto, Ont., ' Canadian Contract

Record '

5 00Toronto, Ont., ' Globe '

22 50Toronto, Ont., 'North Ender '

5 00Toronto, Ont., ' Star '

22 50Welland, Ont., 'Tribune'

5 40Brockville, Ont., ' Recorder '

8 10Caledonia, Ont., ' Haldimand Banner ' 6 75Dundas, Ont., ' Banner '

6 25Dunda.s, Ont., ' Wentworth Light ' .. 6 75Guelph, Ont., ' Mercury '

9 00Sarnia, Ont., ' Observed '

9 00

Whitby Public Building-1908409.

Hamilton, Ont., ' Herald ' $ 5 00

Kingston, Ont., ' Freeman ' 9 00

Kingston, Ont., 'Whig' 13 95

Ottawa, Ont., ' Le Temps ' 17 40

Peterborough, Ont., ' Times ' 6 00

Ottawa, Ont., ' Danebrog ' $ 4 50St. Thomas, Ont., ' Journal'

9 00Belleville, Ont., ' Ontario '

9 00Brantford, Ont., ' Expositor '

9 00Brockville, Ont., ' Recorder '

8 10Windsor, Out., 'Record'

9 00Barrie, Ont., ' Gazette '

6 75Bowmanville, Ont., ' Statesman '

6 75Chatham, Ont., ' News '

9 00Ingersoll, Oiit., ' Chronicle '

4 50Lindsay, Ont., ' Post'

9 00Millbrook, Ont., ' Mirror '

6 50Oshawa, Ont., 'Ontario Reformer.. .. 6 75Pickering, Ont., ' News '

6 75Port Perry, Ont., ' Star '

6 75Guelph, Ont., ' Mercury '

9 00Hamilton, Ont., 'Times'

17 50London, Ont., ' Echo '

9 00London, Out., 'Advertiser'

15 00Ottawa, Ont., ' Eree Press '

18 75Peterborough, Ont., ' Examiner '.. .. 10 00Toronto, Ont., ' North Ender '

5 00Toronto, Ont., 'Globe'

22 50Toronto, Ont., ' Star '

22 50Sarnia, Ont., ' Observer '

9 00Stratford, Ont., ' Beacon '

9 00Uxbridge, Ont., ' Journal '

6 75Whitby, Ont., ' Chronicle '

6 75Whitby, Ont., 'Gazette'

6 75

Woodstock, Ont., 'Sentinel Review'.. 9 00

Barrie, Ont., ' Examiner ' 6 75

Port Hope, ' Guide ' 9 00

Dauphin, Man., Public Building.

Swan Lake, Man., ' Echo ' $ 6 00Winnipeg, Man., ' Canada '

9 40Winnipeg, Man., ' Commercial'.. .. 10 80Winnipeg, Man., 'Canada Poster'.. .. 4 00Brandon, Man., 'Sun'

13 16Carberry, Man., ' News '

9 40Dauphin, Man., ' Press '

9 40Louis Bridge, Man., 'Elmwood Herald' 9 40Neepawa, Man., ' Press '

9 40Gladstone, Man., ' Age '

9 40Norwood, Man., ' Press and St. Boniface Echo ' 9 40

Portage la Prairie, Man., ' Manitoba

Liberal'

9 40Selkirk, Man., ' Expositor '

9 40Stonewall, Man., ' Argus '

9 40Treherne, Man., ' Times '

9 40Winnipeg, Man., ' Central Catholic '.. 10 80Winnipeg, Man., 'Free Press'

16 20Winnipeg, Man., ' Logberg '

8 46Winnipeg, Man., * Nordwester '

9 40Rapid City, Man., ' Reporter '

9 40Russell, Man., ' Banner '

9 40Winnipeg, Man., ' Town Topics '

3 85MacGregor, Man., ' Herald '

9 40Dauphin, Man., ' Press '

5 80Dauphin, Man., ' Press '

3 84Winnipeg, Man., ' Free Press '

6 60Winnipeg, Man., ' Free Press '

6 40

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERVAIS.

I desire to take advantage of the presence of the Minister of Finance to call his attention to the fact that a year ago a flat increase of $150 a year was given to every officer of this House. Every officer of the House got that increase, except one, that one being the Mr. PUGSLEY.

clerk assistant, Mr. Laplante. I think that merely to call the attention of the Minister of Finance to the fact will be sufficient to ensure the removal of this discrimination.

Some resolutions reported.

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INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY-BRANCH LINES.

LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I have the honour to inform the House that the following has been received from the Senate:

Resolved, that a message be sent to the House of Commons by one of the Masters in Chancery to communicate to that House the following reasons for their insisting upon their amendment to the Bill (17) from the House of Commons, intituled ' An Act to authorize the government to acquire by lease lines of railway connecting with the government railways.

The third clause of the Bill, as it passed the Commons, contained a proviso, intended to protect the public interests, to the effect that no such lease should have any force or effect until the Government Railways Managing Board and the chief engineer of the Department of Railways and Canals should have approved the terms and conditions of such lease and until the parliament of Canada had first ratified such lease. The amendment made by the Senate proposed to further protect the public interest by enacting that certain further information necessary to enable parliament to form an intelligent opinion should be submitted to parliament before the ratification of any such lease.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Hon. GEORGE P. GRAHAM (Minister of Railways and Canals).

I desire to move a motion in reference to that message. I move, seconded by Mr. Pugsley:

The honourable the Senate, having sent a message to this House, agreeing to the Bill (No. 17), entitled 'An Act to authorize the government of Canada to acquire by lease, lines of railway connecting with government railways, with an amendment, which is as follows:-

Page 2, line 3. After ' lease' insert the following as clause 4:-

4. No such lease shall be ratified by parlia- * ment' unless a return has been laid before both Houses for at least one month showing:

(a) The cost of the road proposed to be leased, together with the amount of stock subscribed and all moneys received from sale of bonds or by way of bonuses or otherwise;

(b) present equipment of road, together with the average rate of freight and charges for passengers on the same, and a statement showing approximately how above rates compare with those charged on the Intercolonial railway;

(c) present condition of the road and the estimated outlay required to put it in good running order;

(d) total receipts and expenditures for tnree years last past;

(e) list of shareholders and bondholders;

(f) other creditors of the road;

(g) estimates of future receipts and expenditures in the event of the road being leased by the Intercolonial railway.

Such return to be signed and certified to by the chief engineer and traffic manager of the Intercolonial railway and the deputy minister.

And this House, having taken the said amendment into consideration, it was resolved, that the said amendment be disagreed to, for the following reasons: Because the

said amendment unnecessarily and ineffectually attempts to limit the power of future parliaments.

A message having been sent to.the Senate to acquaint their honours therewith, and the Senate having sent a further message to this House informing this House that their honours adhere to the said amendment.

And this House being of the opinion that if a conference is held between the two Houses, it is possible that an agreement may be arrived at, in respect to the said Bill, which result, it is, in the opinion of this House, desirable to attain, if possible.

Therefore, on motion of Mr. Graham, seconded by Mr. Pugsley,

It is resolved that a message be sent to the Senate respectfully requesting a free conference with their honours, to consider the said Bill and any amendments which, at such conference, it may be considered desirable to make thereto.

Mr.. SPROULE. This seems to be a new departure for which I do not know that there is any rule

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

After a little conversation over this matter, and after fully going into the rules, I am advised that this is the orthodox manner to proceed; that the Senate, having returned a Bill disagreeing with the amendments, the Bill is now in the hands of this Chamber, and it becomes our duty to propose a conference, I believe this is what is known as a free conference, as outlined in this motion.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Under what rule is this procedure taken?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

The rule -will be found on page 40:

84. (1) In cases in which the Senate disagree to any amendments made by the House of Commons, or to which the House of Commons has disagreed, the House of Commons is willing to receive the reasons of the Senate for their disagreeing or' insisting (as the ease may be) by message, without a conference unless at any time the Senate should desire to communicate the same at a conference.

(2) Any conference between the two houses mav be a free conference.

(3) When the House requests a conference with the Senate, the reasons to be given by this House at the same, shall be prepared and agreed to by the House before a message is sent therewith.

It is laid down in Bourinot that this conference may be held wherever the Senate amends a Bill which the House declines to agree to.

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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

Does this motion

name who is to be the committee of the House to take part in the conference?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I think the Speaker names the committee; he must appoint three members of the House as managers to attend the conference.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM moved:

That a message be sent to the Senate respectfully requesting a free conference with their honours to consider said Bill, and any amendments which, at such conference, it may be considered desirable to make thereto.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

There have been such conferences before, although the proceeding is unusual. I have myself been associated with a conference of that kind. It is entirely proper.

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CON

Edward Arthur Lancaster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LANCASTER.

There was a conference in 1903 with regard to some amendments to the Railway Act, and the present iChief Justice of the Supreme Court was one of the conferees. But I think at the time, after the committee were appointed, the next day the Senate receded, as it was their duty to do.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

On the occasion to which my hon. friend refers, I was a member of the committee, and we met in the Senate. I think we are following on that procedure now that was followed on that occasion.

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Motion agreed to.


HOURS OF LABOUR ON PUBLIC WORKS.


Mr. KING presented the fourth report of the special committee to which was referred Bill (No. 21) respecting hours of labour on public works. The Clerk having read the Teport, Mr. KING moved that the recommendations contained in the fourth report of said committee on Bill (No. 21) respecting the hours of labour on public works, be concurred in. Motion agreed to.


THE HOUSE OF COMMONS STAFF.

LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

There are several formal miotions jnecessary in connection with the Civil Service Act as applied to the House of Commons. We have already passed the items appropriating sums to be paid to the various officers of the House, but it ' is necessary that we should formally confirm certain recommendations that were 'made by the Speaker at an earlier date, and which are now upon the journals. I therefore beg to move:

That the recommendations of the hon. the Speaker, laid on the table of the House on the 24th November, 1909, relative to the yearly increase in salary to certain officers and clerks of the House pursuant to section 37 of the Civil Service Amendment Act, 1908, be approved.

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Motion agreed to. Motions by Mr. Fielding that the recommendation of the Hon. the Speaker of the second inst relative to the yearly increase in salaries to certain officials of the House and also of the 29th November, 1909, relative to the payment to the clerks of the joint distribution office of the House of Commons and Senate of the yearly increase in salary were also agreed to.


May 3, 1910