April 20, 1910

LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

But he is assailing another member.

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George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

I have no desire to infringe on the rules of the House. But the Minister of the Interior (Air. Oliver) criticised the statement I made the other night in language which calls for some explanation from myself. He characterized my statement thu3 :

May I add my humble appreciation by say-mg that I believe never, since this chamber was erected, has there been delivered in its walls such a persistent and sustained tirade oi unwarranted assertion, of unwarranted insinuation, a tirade that, in its gratuitous inexactitude, is an offence against the privilege of parliament [DOT] and an insult to its intelligence.

Now' I hold that, as a member of this House, I have some rights here. I have a right to justify what I said in the House.

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

With the hon. mem-er's permission, I would respectfully suggest that he is endeavouring to justify himself in a matter arising out of a previous debate. Unless there is some thing in which he has been misrepresented or something of that kind-

Some hon. AIEAIBERS. Oh, oil.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Air. FIELDING.

No, the hon. member has not a right to proceed in this way on a question of privilege. His statement must be confined to a personal explanation. The hon. member must see that his speech will challenge a reply-

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Air. FIELDING.

Then the hon. member wants to have it one-sided. Unless that is his wish, I have only to point out that

what he says is likely to challenge a reply, and so we lose the order of the House.

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George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

I am simply making a statement correcting what the minister (Mr. Oliver) said in. regard, to the statement I made before. He said that when I stated that the chief and councilmen had received more land than they were entitled to, I stated that which was not in accord with the facts. I have laid before this House this return which is sworn to by the Indian agent, which is absolutely correct and proves the correctness of my statement and the incorrectness of the minister's "explanation.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

If I may be permitted to interrupt, the hon. member (Mr. Bradbury) says he has a right on a question of privilege to justify a statement he made in a former debate. I ask your ruling, Mr. Speaker, on the question whether the hon. member can do that on a question of privilege. As I understand it, he has a right to correct a statement of his own or to make a personal explanation, but not to justify his former argument. The hon. leader of the opposition (Mr. R. L. Borden) has pointed out that the hon. member for Selkirk will have an opportunity, on going into supply, to bring up this question. That is perfectly right. And the only objection to his bringing it up now is that he _ is violating the rules of the House and indulging in a procedure which has been, I regret to say, somewhat abused.

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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

The hon. member has risen-

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. Minister of Agriculture (Mr Fisher) has the floor.

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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

I rise to a point of order.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order, order.

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John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

I am speaking on the question of order.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

The hon. member for North Simcoe (Mr. J. A. Currie) desires to interrupt me, but I claim to be heard as I have the floor.

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John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. J. A. CURRIE.

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member (Air. Fisher) cannot speak on a question of privilege for the hon. member for Selkirk (Air. Bradbury) has the floor on that question. He (Mr. Fisher) can only speak on a point of order. That is my point of order.

Some hon. AIEAIBERS. Order, order.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. R. L. BORDEN.

The hon. member for North Simcoe rose to a point of order. The Alinister of Agriculture should have taken his seat at once.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Air. FISHER.

If Air. Speaker says I am out of order, I will sit down.

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James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Air. SPEAKER.

If hon. members will permit me, I would suggest that the hon. member for Selkirk (Air. Bradbury) ought to confine himself to a personal explanation. If he is anxious to carry the matter further, he can do so when we go into supply. I think that is the sense of the House.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. BRADBURY.

I desire to fall in with the suggestion of the Chair, having no wish to violate the rules of the House. But at present I merely wish to clear myself of the charge made by the minister-

Air. CONA1EE. And reopen the debate.

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April 20, 1910