April 5, 1910

COMMITTEE ON MINES AND MINERALS.

LIB

Ralph Smith

Liberal

Mr. RALPH SMITH moved:

That the Committee on Mines and Minerals have leave to sit while the House is in session.

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Motion agreed to.


LIB

Ralph Smith

Liberal

Mr. RALPH SMITH moved:

That in view- of certain representations made for the passing of an Act for the consolidation of the laws relating to mines, &c., under federal control, the question of such consolidation be referred to the Select Standing Committee on Mines and Minerals, with power to report by Bill or otherwise.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

It is rather an unsual proceeding for a committee to bring in a Bill. The function of a committee is to report to the House its conclusions and recommendations. For a committee to go further than that is, I think, rather contrary to the practice of parliament.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Let the motion stand as a notice.

Motion was allowed to stand as a notice of motion.

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DRY DOCK SUBSIDIES.


Sir WILFRID LAURIER moved that the House go into committee to-morrow to consider the following proposed resolutions: 1. Resolved, That it is expedient to authorize the repeal of chapter 24 of the Acts of 1908, The Dry Dock Subsidies Act, and that in substitution therefor it be provided, as an aid to the construction of any dry dock approved as to location and capacity by the Governor in Council, that a subsidy, as hereinafter set out, may be paid out of consolidated revenue fund to any incorporated company, approved by the Governor in Council, which 6hall enter into an agreement w-ith His Majesty to construct the same with all necessary equipment, machinery and plant, the cost on which subsidy is to be calculated to be determined by the Governor in Council before the agreement for construction is entered into, the Governor in Council being satisfied that such dry dock is needed in the public interest; 2. That as an aid to the enlargement and extension of anv dry dock, subsidized under any Act of the Parliament of Canada passed before the date of these resolutions, a subsidy, as hereinafter provided, may be paid out of Consolidated Revenue Fund to any incorporated company, approved by the Governor in Council, which shall enter into an agreement with His Majesty to enlarge and extend any such existing dry dock and to furnish the same with all necessary equipment, machinery 6'277 and plant, the cost on which subsidy is to be calculated to be determined by the Governor in Council before the agreement for the enlargement and extension is entered into, the Governor in Council being satisfied that such enlargement and extension is needed in the public interest; 3. That dry docks constructed or dry docks enlarged and extended under the provisions of any Act founded on these resolutions, shall, for the purposes of such Act, be divided into three classes; 1. Dry docks of the first class, for naval and general purposes, costing for the purposes of subsidy calculation not more than four million dollars, being- * (a) Dry docks, other than floating dry docks, of dimensions when completed not less than the principal dimensions next hereinafter mentioned, that is to 6ay-clear length on bottom from caisson groove or hollow-quoin to head 900 feet; clear width of entrance, 100 feet; depth of water over the «ill at high water ordinary spring tides, 35 feet; (b) Floating dry docks in which vessels of a tonnage displacement of at least 25,000 tons can with ease and safety be received and repaired: Provided, however, that any dry dock shall not for the purposes of such Act be deemed to be a dry dock of the first class unless capable of receiving and repairing therein the largest vessels or ships of the British Navy existing at the time at which the contract is entered into; 2. Dry docks of the second class, costing for the purposes of subsidy calculation not more than two and one-half million dollars, being- (a) Dry docks, other than floating dry docks, of dimensions when completed not less than the principal dimensions next hereinafter mentioned, that is to say- Clear length on bottom from caisson groove or hollow-quoin to head, 650 feet; clear width of entrance, 85 feet; depth of water over the sill, 30 feet at high water ordinary spring tide6 if constructed on tidal waters and 18 feet at ordinary low water if constructed on non-tidal waters; (b) Floating dry docks, in which vessels of a tonnage displacement of at least 15,000 tons can with ease and safety be received and repaired ; (3) Dry docks of the third class costing for the purpose of subsidy calculation not more than one and one-half million dollars, being- (a) Dry docks, other than floating dry docks, of dimensions when completed not less than the principal dimensions next hereinafter mentioned, that is to say-clear length on bottom from caisson groove or hollow-quoin to head, 400 feet; clear width of entrance, 85 feet; depth of water over the sill, 22 feet at high water ordinary spring tides if constructed on tidal waters, and 18 feet at ordinary low water if constructed on nontidal waters; (b) Floating dry docks m which vessels oi a tonnage displacement of at least 3,500 tons can with ease and safety be received and repaired; 4. That the subsidy payable in respect of dry docks, which have been constructed under the provisions of any Act founded On these resolutions, shall be- (a) If of the first class, a sum not exceeding 31 per centum of the cost of the work as fixed and determined by the Governor in Council, each year during a period of thirty-fire years from the time the Governor in Council has deterfiiined under the provisions of the Act that the work has been completed; (b) If of the second class, a sum not exceeding three and one-half per centum of the cost of the work, as fixed and determined by the Governor in Council, each year during a period of twenty-five year6 from the time the Governor in Council has determined under the provisions of the Act that the work has been completed; (c) If of the third class, a sum not exceeding three per centum of the cost of the work, as fixed and determined by the Governor in Council, each year during a period of twenty years from the time the Governor in Council has determined under the provisions of the Act that the work has been completed; 5. That the subsidy payable in respect of dry docks which have been enlarged or extended under the provisions of any Act founded on these resolutions, shall be- (a) If of dimensions or capacity when enlarged and extended not less than the principal dimensions of a dry dock of the first class under such Act, a sum not exceeding three and one-half per centum of the cost of such enlargement and extension, as fixed and determined by the Governor in Council, each year during a period of thirty-five years from the time the Governor in Council has determined under the provisions of the Act that the work has been completed; (b) If of dimensions or capacity when enlarged and extended not less than the principal dimensions of a dry dock of the second class under such Act, a sum not exceeding three and one-half per centum of the cost of such enlargement and extension, as fixed and determined by the Governor in Council, each year during a period of twenty-five years from the time the Governor in Council has determined under the provisions of the Act that the work has been completed; (c) If of dimensions or capacity when enlarged and extended not less than the principal dimensions of a dry dock of the third class under such Act, a sum not exceeding three per centum of the cost of such enlargement and extension, as fixed and determined by the Governor in Council, each year during a period of twenty years from the time the Governor in Council has determined under the provisions of the Act that the work has been completed; 6. That the work of construction or enlargement and extension be done under the supervision of the Department of Public Works; 7. That the Governor in Council be empowered, after a subsidy becomes payable, if such dry dock is not in a state of efficiency and repair, to take possession thereof, and to expend out of consolidated revenue fund a sufficient sum to repair the same, and thereafter operate such dock until the cost of suqh repairs, after payment of operating, expenses and maintenance, is received by the Crown ; 8. That the tariff of tolls and rates for the use of the dock prescribed by the company shftll be subject to the approval of the Governor in Council, and that the company shall make an annual statement to the Governor in Council of the operations of the company with a statement of receipts and expenditures in detail;



9. That, on the application of the government of Canada, or any minister thereof, ships in the British naval service, in the naval service of Canada, or other vessels the property of or employed by His Majesty, shall at all times be entitled to the use of such docks in priority to all other vessels. Motion agreed to.


MEAT AND CANNED FOODS ACT.


Hon. SYDNEY FISHER moved second reading of Bill (No. 193) to amend the Meat and Canned Foods Act.


CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Will the hon. minister be good enough to explain the purport of the Bill?

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Mr FISHER.

When I moved the resolution on which this Bill is based, I explained that the amendments are almost entirely of a verbal character. There is no change of principle at all, and the amendments would be better considered as they are detailed when we are in Committee going over the Bill clause by clause. They are due to some little difficulties which have arisen in the administration of the Act.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the second time, and House went into Committee thereon. On section 1, interpretation.


LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The only change in the first subclause is to add the word ' game ' tc the list of animals. The next subclause in the Act as it stands at present reads:

' Export' means export out of Canada or out of a province in which the establishment is situated to another province.

The Act applies to some goods which have never been in what is technically called an establishment. The word ' establishment' is not necessary in the administration of the Act. We therefore propose to leave out the words defining an establishment. The next subclause is a new' one and defines a farmer. The Act permits the slaughter and sale of animals by farmers without inspection, and w'e have found some difficulty in defining clearly what a farmer is. \\ e therefore insert this definition:

A farmer is a person whose recognized occupation is that of farming, and who slaughters only such animals as are fed bv him on his own premises.

Some dealers have been claiming to be farmers, and we wish to define distinctly those who have the privilege allowed to farmers under the Act.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Will this definition take in the Minister of Agriculture? .

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LIB
CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

Will the minister explain why he uses the wmrd ' goats ' in this Sir WILFRID LAURIER: ~

Bill? Is it intended to can goats as food, or what is the object? 1 am afraid this would open the door a long way for adulterated foods. Some people make cheese out of goat's milk, but I am not aware that they have come dowrn to eating goats. I think the minister ought to explain why he is giving the men who are running these canning factories an opportunity of palming off goat's meat instead of other meat which the people usually eat. Perhaps the minister could explain whether he intends this goat meat for export or for local consumption. So far as Ontario is concerned, he need not bother about it, because we have not vet got dowm to eating goats or horses either. But at the same time I do not think we should send from Canada to the old country canned goats. Surely the minister has made a mistake.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

In the first place, this is not an amendment because the word ' goats ' appears in the original Act.

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CON

April 5, 1910