March 17, 1910

CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

Do you fix a standard?

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

We will fix a standard by regulation.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

You have power to test and inspect in the Act, but so far as I see, you have no power to fix a standard.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

I have no objection to add the words ' for testing the calorific power of gas and establishing standards therefor.'

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Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

That is right.

Clause, -as amended, agreed to.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

In subclause (d), I add a new section: ' for testing the illuminating power of gas,' and to that I will add the words suggested by the hon. member (Mr. J. A. Currie), ' and establishing standards therefor.' Then, in subsection (e), to the words 'or testing the purity of gas,' we will also add the words ' and establishing standards therefor.'

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

That appears to be all right.

On section 3, meters to comply with true standard measure.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

This is one of the important amendments. It limits the percentage of errors in the meter. The old law allowed 3 per cent in favour of the seller and 4 per cent in favour of the consumer. We are now narrowing the limit down to 2 per cent and 3 per cent, respectively, thus making the meter more perfect.

On section 4, undertaking of gas makers as to supply and quality of gas.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

The complaint is made that sometimes natural gas is supplied at far too great a pressure. Has the minister taken into consideration an amendment to provide that it shall not be delivered to the consumer above a certain pressure?

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

I am advised that gas from a natural well could not be taken into a house at the natural pressure of the well, and that as a matter ot fact it is always reduced to a very small pressure.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

Sometimes it is not reduced enough, and, therefore, causes leaks in the joints of the pipes, which in turn cause explosions in houses.

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Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Samuel Barker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARKER.

I would suggest that the minister use the words, ' proper and sufficient pressure.'

Amendment as proposed agreed to.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

I have already taken exception to paragraph (d), which says that the gas 'shall exhibit no trace of sulphuretted hydrogen or any excess of sulphur and ammonia.' I think the department has sufficient power to make regulations without the necessity of a statutory enactment of this kind, and, moreover, this is not necessary, because I do not think that it can be shown that sulphuretted hydrogen is poisonous.

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Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

This clause is regarded by the department as most important. The very reason why we inspect gas is that no trace of sulphuretted hydrogen is permitted in it. These provisions, I am advised by the experts of the department, are essential to the proper inspection of gas. Its nurity and its illuminating quality are the two great points. My hon. friend says that we can make regulations covering these provisions. If so, there can be no objection to having them in the Act.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

I say that neither the hon. gentleman nor any chemist can show me that sulphuretted hydrogen is poisonous.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

I am advised that no chemist in the world will agree with my hon. friend. A year ago, when we tried to legalize the use ,of natural gas as an illuminant, the chemist of our department would not permit natural gas, with 1 per cent of sulphuretted hydrogen in it, to be used as an illuminant.

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Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

I take issue with the chemist of the denartment. I say that sulphuretted hydrogen is neither nois-onous nor does it form an element in the compound when burned. It happens to be a component of two very cheap gases which the public want to use: one is nat-i8oa

ural gas, and the other is Mond gas; and this clause is kept in the Act to compel these gases to be put through very expensive processes in order to remove the smell of sulphuretted hydrogen, which is not dangerous and thereby to make the gas more expensive to the consumer. I say again that, from my knowledge of chemistry, which is not very great and should not be any greater than the minister's, who is a doctor, sulphuretted hv-drogen is not poison, and I do not think he can find anybody who can show that it is.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

I am not a chemist but nothing has been impressed upon me so much in the administration of this Act by the experts of the department as the fact that sulphuretted hydrogen is poisonous. The chief inspector gives me this memo:

Sulphuretted hydrogen is the one poison in gas which is not destroyed by combustion, but escapes into the room as sulphurous acid gas. The other poisonous constituents are destroyed by combustion.

The whole inspection of manufactured gas in Canada during all these years has been with the view of eliminating the very-last particle of sulphuretted hydrogen.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. A. CURRIE.

An ordinary coal stove will produce more sulphuretted hydrogen in a room than half a dozen gas jets, there is no question but that it is an expensive process to take the sulphuretted hydrogen out of natural gas, more especially out of the cheaper gas called Mond gas. The regulations are already sufficient. Clause 3 permits the department to 'take steps to protect the public so that it is not necessary to have clause 4. If at any time the department wishes to relax their regulations they can do so, but under this clause they cannot.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Templeman (Minister of Mines; Minister of Inland Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. TEMPLEMAN.

In accordance with the hon. gentleman's suggestion, I wpuld move that after the words ' by regulation made by the minister,' in the fourth line, the words ' or not in accordance with the standard ' be substituted.

Section, as amended, agreed to.

Topic:   INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   GAS INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.
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March 17, 1910