March 14, 1910

CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

If the penalty were made high enough, that would be a great safeguard'. The mere fact of compelling the steamship companies to take these people back is not a sufficiently heavy penalty. There should be a heavy fine.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

We find that the certainty that an undesirable immigrant will have to be taken back is a better deterrent than a heavy fine, because the company might be able to escape the fine. It is not the severity of the punishment, but the certainty, which is its best deterrent. If my hon. friend could only hear the roar which a steamship company puts up every time it has to take an immigrant back, he would think it was punished very severely.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

Will the hon. minister explain subsection 8 of clause 33?

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEORGE TAYLOR.

Might I suggest to the minister that he should take twelve or fifteen hours to look up that section and become thoroughlv able to explain it. We have been here thirty hours continuously, and I arranged with the Minister of Finance that at 10 o'clock the committee would rise and report progress.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I am obliged to reply to the hon. member for Montreal, St. Lawrence division (Mr. Bickerdike) on the two or three points he mentioned.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

Adam Brown Crosby

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROSBY.

I want to speak on the same line and the hon. minister can answer both at the same time. I was very pleased indeed that the hon. member for St. Lawrence (Mr. Bickerdike) brought up the matter regarding the deportation of undesirable immigrants. When an immigrant comes into Canada who is undesirable, the steamship company discover that they have the onus of deporting him. and they use all their influence to try and keep him in Canada. I know that in Halifax the companies have named a doctor to represent them and examine the immigrants with the doctor of the government, and the company's doctor will use all his influence in favour of his employer. Of course when two professional men get together and have a difference regarding an immigrant, it is reasonable to expect that they will give the benefit of the doubt to the stronger interest, and that would be in favour of keeping the immigrant in Canada and relieving the steamship companies of the cost of deporting him. In the past we had more cases of undesirables kept in the country than now, but still we have quite a number at present. When a 'large company, such as the Allan line or the Canadian Pacific railway, bring in a number of passengers, and these passengers come up for medical inspection, the government doctor passes along and sets a great many to one side. Then he goes over them a second time and finds there are a few he can allow to remain. He goes over them again and studies them some more and then, influenced by the doctor representing the steamship company, he goes over the lot a fourth time for the purpose of relieving as many as possible. I do not blame the government's officials, because they act conscientiously and always give the newcomer the benefit of the doubt. I followed very closely the argument of the hon. member for St. Lawrence division. I think it would be well if this inspection could be made on the other side so that when the immigrants arrive here, they would feel at home and we could keep them and take care of them. You can understand what a hardship it is when a family lands at Halifax and two or three do not" pass the inspection and are sent back, and the others go on to the new land. When one portion of the family must go back to the old land and the other can take up homes in the new land, the division of that family is very sad. Therefore I would endorse the appeal made by the hon. member for St. Lawrence division, Montreal (Mr. Bickerdike).

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEORGE TAYLOR.

It is now five minutes past ten o'clock. The Minister of the Interior will read in ' Hansard ' what the hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Crosby) and the hon. member for St. Lawrence division, Montreal (Mf. Bickerdike) has

said, and he can reply when the Bill is next in committee.

Progress reported. .

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEORGE TAYLOR.

What business to-morrow?

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

We shall continue our work of completing the Interim Supply Bill, and then the Minister of the Interior will resume his Bill.

Motion agreed to and House adjourned at 10.05 p.m.

, HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Wednesday, March 16, 1910.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.
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March 14, 1910