March 14, 1910

CON
LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

They were the amended plans. I am now referring to the amended plans upon which the three engineers reported.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I do not know that I have any special warrant or authority to speak on behalf of those who are opposing this Bill. Some are on the other side of the House, but, as far as I am concerned, I would like to ask the minister whether or not the plans to w'hich he alludes and which he has said he would be glad to lay on the table of the House, include any reports in connection "with the plans?

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes, there is the joint report made by the three engineers and my desire is to submit that at the same time.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Well, I would recommend to my friends, as far as I have any influence with them in regard to a matter of this kind, that upon the assurance of the minister that these will be laid upon the table before the Bill is taken up again, we should allow the first clause of the Bill to pass upon the condition that the committee shhll immediately afterwards rise and report progress. I cannot, speak for hon. gentlemen on the other .side of the House who are opposing this Bill with fierce determination, but perhaps the Minister of Public Works can use his persuasive powers to induce them to agree to the same thing.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I have just had communication with my hon. friend from Lambton, who is in charge of the Bill, and he would be quite willing, and I think 1 can speak for other gentlemen on this side of the House, if the first clause is allowed to pass, then to report progress, with the

understanding that I will get the plans as soon as possible, and have them laid on the table.

Mr, R. L. BOEDEN. And that they shall be laid on the table before the Bill is taken up again.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I do not say that; but if the plans are not laid on the table, there will be the best possible reason for it. They will be laid on the table if they are available, and I have not a shadow of doubt that they will be available. I may have them this afternoon.

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Mr. E. L. BOEDEN.

In case the plans are not laid on the table; it will be for the committee to consider the very good reason which my hon. friend thinks he can produce.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I do not think that question will arise at all, for I have no doubt that the plans will be submitted.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

These will include all the plans that have been under consideration by the government, including the modified plan which my hon. friend referred to a few days ago in the House.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

What I had in mind was the final plans, those which were recommended by' the engineers, and accompanied by their report.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

In order that there may be no mistake, I refer to ' Hansard ' of January 18:

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John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. EEID.

I would ask the government if the rumour is true that a deputation from Montreal waited on the government yesterday to ask that they be granted the privilege of placing a dam across the St. Lawrence river? If so, has any decision been arrived at?

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

There was a deputation consisting of representatives of the company which proposes to develop the power, and that deputation presented certain statements to the Committee of the Privy Council.

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CON
LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

No, it was understood that they would present a modified plan to the International Waterways Commission, and that commission would give an opportunity to the navigation interests and those who might naturally be opposed to any obstructions to navigation, to be heard. After that the matter would come again before the government for consideration.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

That is the plan which I would propose to lay upon the table, together with the joint- report of the three engineers in reference to that plan.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

When my hon. friend made this statement, I presume that there were two sets of plans submitted by the company to the members of the Privy Council. Will he submit both?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

What I mean is that I will submit the modified plans, which were approved of by the engineers. With regard to the plans first filed, I could not undertake to submit them, because they may have been withdrawn; but the important point is to have the modified plans, accompanied by the report of the engineers.

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March 14, 1910