February 25, 1910

LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Will my hon. friend pardon me a moment? I think he will ' agree with me that it was quite right that I should answer the hon. member for Westminister, but it does not seem to me that it is in order for another hon. gentleman to rise in his place and start in with a general discussion of the circumstances and the local conditions in the province of British Columbia. Of course, my hon. friend might and probably will refer pretty fully to British Columbia when we reach the British Columbia items; but on an item for the improvement of the Richelieu river, it seems to me that the hon. gentleman is hardly in order in giving us a long speech on the municipal and local conditions of British Columbia, its snow-capped mountains and beautiful valleys, with all of which we are very familiar. On another occasion I would be delighted to hear the hon. gentleman, but it seems to me that we should confine ourselves to the item under consideration.

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George Henry Cowan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COWAN.

The minister remarked that there was no discrimination against British Columbia, and I wished to show him that his statement is entirely inaccurate. If he will withdraw that statement, there will be no occasion for any further remarks from me.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I think I can satisfy the hon. gentleman. I can say that I am not aware that there is any discrimination, and there is no desire to discriminate.

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George Henry Cowan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COWAN.

Then, Mr. Chairman, it would seem to me that the minister's lack of knowledge on the subject calls for a little passing comment. Until he has knowledge that will make him aware of British Columbia conditions, it seems to me that it would be better for him not to give us even that negative statement. If Tie will say that even that negative statement should not have been made by him, I would be quite satisfied, and the only thing I could do would be to take my seat. Does he withdraw it? I understand the hon. minister withdraws even that negative statement.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I am glad you have such a good understanding.

River Saguenay-dredging and other improvements, $30,000.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

This is for the improvement of deep water navigation. It is to make a navigable channel by dredging and also improve the approaches to the wharf at Chicoutimi and form a turning basin.

River St. Lawrence-protection wall along south shore between Laprairie and Little St. James river, $11,000.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

This work will be 3,800 feet long and 25 feet on top with slopes. It is to be rip-rapped and covered with concrete. The estimated cost is $11,000.

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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

Is this to protect navigation or the banks of the river?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

It is to protect the town of Laprairie against the annual damage caused by ice shoves and floods, which prevent communication with Montreal by land at certain seasons. The necessity for this has been caused by the erection of the Montreal and Verdun dykes built by the Harbour Commission. That takes this work out of the category of general works for the protection of banks.

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

There is a bend in the River St. Lawrence below Lachine rapids and a large bay fronting Laprairie. For years the whole village of Laprairie, which is an important place, has been flooded and loss of life and property has been occasioned thereby. These works were laid down many years ago by the late Sir Hector Langevin, then Minister of Public Works, and it is absolutely necessary that this protection wall should be built, as the flooding is largely due to the piers of Victoria bridge and the guard pier.

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Morley Currie

Liberal

Mr. M. CURRIE.

What has the harbour work to do with this?

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Rodolphe Lemieux (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

The land is very low and is submerged during April and the beginning of May. There is a large pier in the centre of the river at Isle aux Millions near Montreal, and this large pier and the piers of the Victoria bridge as well as the Lachine rapids, and the bend of the river, cause these floods.

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William Wright

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WRIGHT.

This land -was always flooded before the Victoria bridge was built and there are many other places in Canada in the same position. Do the government assume the responsibility of protecting the shores of all navigable waters, which might be affected by erosions? If they do, we ought to know it. I am not finding fault -with the work, but we should know if similar work is to be carried on in other sections. ,

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

This protection has been rendered necessary by other works which the government, through the Harbour Commissioners of Montreal, has carried on in the vicinity. We have had a petition from the mayors of the municipalities affected asking protection against the annual damage caused by the ice shoves and floods, which entirely prevent communication by land with Montreal at certain times. This protection has been rendered necessary by the Montreal and Verdun dykes built by the Harbour Commissioners. The government did not at once undertake this work, but had the matter investigated by their resident engineer who made the report upon it.

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Morley Currie

Liberal

Mr. M. CURRIE.

What is the date of the petition and of the report?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I have not the date of the petition, but the report of the chief engineer was made in 1909, so that the petition must have been a little before then. Our resident engineer, Mr. Michaud, a very competent man, reported that the construction of these dykes had diminished the flow of the St. Lawrence at that point, and that the proposed work would not only be valuable to the citizens of the town of Laprairie but also to the farmers of Laprairie and Napierville and other parishes, by permitting them to take teams to Montreal at all seasons of the year whereas now, communication by land is stopped during high water.

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William Wright

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WRIGHT.

How far are the works below Montreal?

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LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX.

They are nine miles above Montreal.

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William Wright

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WRIGHT.

That would apply anywhere up the river; it might be assumed that the water would be affected in some way by the works constructed there. I want a pronouncement from the minister on the subject as there are hundreds of places in Canada undeT similar circumstances, and if works of that kind are being taken in hand by the Dominion government I would be pleased to know of it. I am not finding fault at all but I wish for the information.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

In any case where complaint is made that as a result of the construction of a government work, whether it is a dam or dredging, or any work of a similar character, injury is done to one or more people, I would feel it my duty to investigate the matter, and if I found that by a reasonable expenditure we could relieve the people from the injury caused by such a Dominion work I would do so. That is the only thing involved in the passing of this item. I am not prepared to-day to admit and I think it would require a good deal of argument to in-

duce me to admit that it is the duty of the federal government in all cases to take the necessary steps for the protection of the banks of rivers or the shores of lakes from erosion. I think that this is work of a local character and ought to be attended to by the municipal or provincial authorities. In cases such as I have mentioned, where perhaps there is a vast damage caused and large sections of the country affected, so that it is work of a federal character, we might adopt a different rule. But, speaking generally, I think that w.ork of the character to which my hon. friend has referred is rather for the municipal or provincial authorities to attend to.

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February 25, 1910