February 10, 1910

LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

I am very much of that opinion.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

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money, the establishment of local naval defence, or snch other services, in such manner as may be decided upon after consultation with the admiralty and as would best accord with their varying circumstances.

Could anything be broader, could anything give greater freedom, could anything get further away from trenching on responsible government and the autonomy of the Dominions? One would have thought that such a resolution would have been acclaimed by everybody. It was acclaimed by everybody but one. Sir Wilfrid Laurier said:

I am sorry to say, so far as Canada is concerned, we cannot agree to the resolution. We took the ground many years ago that we had enough to do in that respect in our country before committing ourselves to a general claim. The government of Canada has done a great deal in that respect. Our action was not understood, but I was glad to see that the First Lord of the Admiralty admitted we had done much more than he was aware of. It is impossible, in my humble opinion, to have a uniform policy on this matter.

It was not a uniform policy, it gave to each of the Dominions the right to make a contribution in any way it liked, all it called for was to do something.

The disproportion is too great between the mother country and the colonies. We have too much to do otherwise; in the mother country, you must remember, they have no exnenses to incur with regard to public works; whereas, in most of the colonies, certainly in Canada, we have to tax ourselves to the utmost of our resources in the development of our country, and we could not contribute, or undertake to do more than we are doing in that way. For my part, if the motion were pressed to a conclusion, I should have to vote against it.

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Thomas Aaron Hartt

Dr. SMARTT.

But the public works to which you refer are of a reproductive character which are vital to the interests of your Dominion.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Some of our railways have never paid a cent of interest or expenses.

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Thomas Aaron Hartt

Dr. SMARTT.

Still, it is developing and opening up the country to an enormous extent. All the colonies are building developing railways of a character which may not be revenue producing for years. I thought the wording of this resolution would have specially met your views, because towards the up-keep of the navy it may take the form either of a grant of money or the establishment of a local defence force or other services. I understand Canada suggested strongly the other day that some of their other services were in the nature of local defence.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I have said all I have to say on the subject.

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Thomas Aaron Hartt

Dr. SMARTT.

I should like very much to hear the opinions of the representatives of the other portions of the empire.

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Mr. DEAKIN@

I have no hesitation in entering into the discussion if desired; hut if we are not going to pass the resolution, is it worth while?

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Thomas Aaron Hartt

Dr. SMARTT.

I think it is a great pity we do not pass something. We have done so much in the way of pious affirmation, that I am anxious we should do something of a practical character.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

It can he passed if there is a majority. For my part I must vote against it.

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Henry Alfred Ward

Sir JOSEPH WARD.

To do any good we would require to he unanimous about it.

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Thomas Aaron Hartt

Dr. SMARTT.

Yes, I suppose so.

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Charles Edward Church

Mr. WINSTON CHURCHILL.

It is not much good to have a resolution at all if we cannot be unanimous.

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Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN.

I think we had better not proceed any further just now.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

We, of the different dominions beyond the seas, have tried to be unanimous up to the present time. I am sorry to say this is a question upon which we could not he unanimous. Therefore, Dr. Smartt can move it if he chooses or withdraw it, but if he presses it I should have to vote against it.

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Thomas Aaron Hartt

Dr. SMARTT.

I am absolutely in the hands of the conference. I do not want to press a. resolution that is not likely to meet with the general approval of practically everybody on the conference, especially a resolution of this particular character. We might, perhaps, let it stand over until the next sitting. Between this and Tuesday I may be able to modify it in some way to meet Sir Wilfrid's view.

And Dr. Smart withdrew it. Are we proud of Canada as thus exhibited?

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Yes.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Are hon. gentlemen oppo site proud of Canada?

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Yes.

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February 10, 1910