January 17, 1910

HALIFAX AND ESQUIMALT NAVAL YARDS.


On the orders of the day being called:


LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to give the answer which I promised to my hon. friend the leader of the opposition (Mr. R. L. Borden) last Thursday in connection with a paragraph which he read from a statement in the London 'Times,' purporting to have been made by Sir Wm. White. The answer is as follows:

With reference to the matter of the Halifax and Esquimalt naval yards, referred to by the hon. the leader of the Opposition yesterday, and with particular reference to the observations of Sir William White, published in the London ' Times ' of November 19 last, regarding the condition of these naval yards, the reply, so far as the Department of Militia and Defence is concerned, is as follows:^

Whatever action ha:s been taken with regard to the armament and works at Esquimalt, has been taken with the full cognizance and concurrence of the Imperial War Office and in furtherance of their policy at the time the fortress was taken over.

With respect to the information which Sir William White stated that he had received that the naval base at Halifax was in a similar condition to that at Esquimalt, the only remark which can be made is that the fortress at Halifax is believed to be in at least as efficient a condition at the present moment, both as regards armament and works, as it was when taken over from the imperial authorities.

So far as the Department of Marine and Fisheries is concerned, the following information has been received from that department:-

With regard to Esquimalt, the naval yard at that station is still under the imperial authorities. The machinery is lying idle, but well looked after. The same is to be said as regards the buildings. The station has, however, been reduced to two gun vessels and one survey ship.

With regard to Halifax, the machinery in the workshops is looked after, though the parts are not assembled for working.

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MANITOBA FISHERY COMMISSION.

CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

I wish to ask the minister who is in charge of the Department of Marine and Fisheries, when the report of the fisheries commission that has been working in Manitoba is going to be brought down? It was promised by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries that it would be brought down just as soon as printed. It was printed, I understand, eight or ten days ago, or perhaps earlier, and under those circumstances I would expect to have U brought down. I asked the right hon. Prime Minister (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) the other day and he told me he would attend to it at the earliest possible moment. That was three or four days ago, and I would like to know if it has yet been attended to.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The report has been prepared, and I understand has been signed by two of the commissioners. It has been sent to the third commissioner, Mr. Metcalfe, to ascertain if he concurs in it, and if so, for his signature. As soon as the department is informed whether Mr. Metcalfe has signed the report or has signified his assent, the report will be 'brought down and communicated to my hon. friend.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

I would like to ask for further information. J I am afraid the acting minister is not up to date in regard to this question. I understand the commissioners' report has been printed and has been signed by the three commissioners. Why has it not been brought down?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

No, Mr. Speaker, the acting minister is absolutely up to date, although he is something of a novice in the office. The report has been printed, and printed as if the three commissioners had signed it, but it has been ascertained that the third commissioner has not yet signed it, and it has been sent to him to ascertain whether he concurs in it in its entirety, or whether he dissents in any particular. As soon as we have this information, the report will he brought down.

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CON

Glenlyon Campbell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAMPBELL.

May I again ask what is the harm in presenting that report as

printed and as presumably signed by the three commissioners? I would like to see it.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I am sorry to say that my hon. friend is not up to date. 11 is not the report until it has been signed.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

I do not wish to discuss the matter, but I think the First Minister is labouring under a misapprehension. The report has been signed by three commissioners, there was a fourth commissioner, the present Mr. Justice Metcalfe, who investigated Lac du Bonnet, and he resigned. The report has been signed by the other man, Mr. Hugg, who was appointed in Mr. Metcalfe's place, and the report as printed is signed by the three commissioners: Mr. Hugg, Mr. Read and Professor Prince.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The printed report is signed amongst others by Mr. Metcalfe supposing he would agree. It is understood he does not agree, and the report is held until it is ascertained whether he agrees or not.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Were there three commissioners or four?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

So far as I know there were three. If my hon. friend will come to my office to-morrow afternoon, I will be glad to show him the report.

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ST. PETER'S INDIAN RESERVE.

LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. FRANK OLIVER (Minister of the Interior).

Mr. Speaker, I desire to refer to a request made by the hon. member for Selkirk (Mr. Bradbury) last Thursday for information regarding a return that was laid on the table of the House. The reply is as follows:

An account was received on the 21st of October 1907, for $321.70 from Mr. Ernest Raynor for expenditure made by him in connection with the St. Peter's surrender. This account was forwarded to the Indian agent, Mr. J. 0. Lewis, who was informed that the department had no knowledge of the authority under which the expenditure was made and he was asked for a report thereon. The agent was further told that if he was unaware of the circumstances in connection with the expenditure, it would be well for him to submit the matter to His Honour Chief Justice Howells who had carried on certain preliminary negotiations with regard to the taking of the surrender and who might he able to inform him as to the authority, if any, under which the expenditure was made by Raynor. No report has, however, been received from Mr. Lewis in regard to this matter.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

I wish to call the attention of the Minister of the Interior to the fact that the return brought down regarding St. Peter's reserve does not contain the instructions to Chief Justice Howell, nor does it contain his report. I wish Mr. CAMPBELL.

these documents to be laid on the table and also the advertisements in the newspapers regarding the sales of land, and which the minister, when in committee, promised he would have brought down.

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SECOND READING.


Bill (No. 93) respecting the Vancouver and Coast-Kootenay Railway Company.- Mr. Smith (Nanaimo).


QUESTIONS.

January 17, 1910