December 16, 1909

PETITION OUT OF ORDER.

LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The petition of Robert Glover and others cannot be entertained as the granting of the prayer would involve the expenditure of public money.

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HOURS OF LABOUR ON PUBLIC WORKS.


Hon. MACKENZIE KING presented the first report of the special committee to whom was referred Bill (No. 21) an Act respecting hours of labour on public works as follows: Tour committee beg leave to present the following as their first report: Your committee recommend that leave be granted to have their proceedings and the eviaence taken by them printed from day to day and that rule 72 be suspended in relaaion thereto.


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. KING moved:

That the first report of the Special Committee to whom was referred Bill (No. 21) an Act respecting hours of labour on public works presented this day be concurred in.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Is the report purely formal?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. KING.

It recommends permission of the House to have the proceedings and evidence printed and that rule 72 be suspended.

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Motion agreed to.


MESSAGE FROM HIS EXCELLENCY.


Sir WILFRID LAURIER presented a message from His Excellency the Governor General as follows: Gentlemen of the House of Commons: I have received with great pleasure the address which you have adopted in reply to my speech at the opening of the session of parliament, and thank you for it sincerely.



Government House, Ottawa, 14th Dec., 1909.


QUESTION OF ORDER.

LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The hon. member for Jacques Cartier (Mr. Monk), yesterday raised a question of order with reference to the answer by the hon. the Minister of Militia and Defence (Sir Frederick Borden) to question No. 10 on the Order Paper.

The answer given to the said question, in my opinion, did in some measure contravene the rules and practice of the House in that regard but, as the hon. minister stated, the answers were drawn from

him in that form in consequence of irregularities in the form of the question.

In my opinion the question as put by the hon. member for Sherbrooke was in several particulars irregular inasmuch as it contravened the provisions of rule 36, a portion of which rule reads as follows :

In putting any such question or in replying to the same no argument or opinion is to he offered, nor any facts stated, except so far as may be necessary to explain the same. And in answering any such question the matter to which the same refers shall not be debated.

Comments upon this rule will be found in Bourinot's Parliamentary Practice, pp. 433 to 435. Among the comments made in that work as to the form in which questions may be put, I would quote the following: (a). ' 'A question has been refused a reply because it referred to a. matter of opinion', (b). 'A question should be simply and severely accurate in its allegations. If it is hypothetical it is objectionable and should not be answered . (c). 'It should not be ironical or c?nvey any imputation'. Members are reminded that it is the duty of certain officers of the House to point out to a member when any question is put in improper form and to communicate with the member in order that the notice may be properly amended. Occasionally irregularity in questions is not noted by the officers of the House but in this respect instructions will be_ given to be more particular in the future in this regard.

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FIRST READINGS.


Bill (No. 82) to incorporate the Merchants and General Insurance Company.-Mr. Monk. Bill (No. 83) respecting the Vancouver, Westminster and Yukon Railway Company. -Mr. Ralph Smith.


CONSERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES.

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Mr. J. E.@

ARMSTRONG (East Lambton) moved for leave to introduce Bill (No. 84) to amend an Act to establish a commission for the conservation of our natural resources.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Explain.

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

As the Act at present stands the chairman of the commission can send a man out to investigate mines, and timber lands, and fisheries, and water-powers and practically any of the resources of the country; he can spend the money of the public in doing so and then there would be nbthing to prevent him pur-Mr. SPEAKER.

chasing land or rights in water-powers and fisheries and making them his own. The members of the commission are practically in the same position in that regard. The Bill which I now introduce will provide as follows:

14. No member of the commission or person

appointed as secretary or as officers or clerks under him, or person employed as an assistant for the purpose of any special work or investigation, shall, while a member of the com mission or appointed or employed as aforesaid : _

(a) purchase, lease, acquire or obtain, od royalty or otherwise, any Dominion or provincial franchise, fishery rights, water-powers, water privileges, lands, mines, mineral lands, or timber limits, or in any way contract therfor or acquire any interest therein, either for himself or as agent for any other person or corporation;

(b) locate military or bounty land warrants or land scrip or act as agent of any other person in such behalf;

(c) disclose to any person, except to members of the commission, any discovery made by him or by any of them, or any other matters in his possession relating to matters under the control of the commission, or in relation to their investigations, until such discovery or information has been reported to parliament.

15. Every person guilty of any violation ot any of the provisions contained in section 14 of this Act shall forfeit to His Majesty all property or interest so acquired or obtained and shall also incur a penalty of one thousand dollars for each such violation.

(2.) The acquisition of each item of property or interest therein or contract thei efor as aforesaid shall be deemed a separate violation of the said section.

(3.) Such penalties shall be recoverable on information filed in the name of the Attorney General of Canada, and a moiety thereof shall belong to His Majesty, and the other moiety thereof shall belong to the informer.

I may say that the first clause is similar to clause 14 of the Geological Survey Act and the last clause is similar to the penalty clause 376 of the Railway Act. I believe this amendment should be adopted at as earlv a date as possible and I ask the government to facilitate its passage during this session. In presenting this Bill I in no way reflect upon the chairman or upon the members of the commission. Many members of the commission are personal friends of mine and I am satisfied that they believe this Bill is in their interest as well as in the public interest.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first, time.


December 16, 1909