November 30, 1909

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

That is a matter of agreement. In Quebec there are large numbers of public buildings constructed on sites which are purchased by the Crown. I have now in mind Shawenegan Falls, in

the province of Quebec, where the county and the municipality furnished the site free. In Iberville I think the same way. I have never found that there is any difference between one province and another in that respect. Occasionally sites are furnished free, but in most cases we have to buy them.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

I understand the minister to say that this price was fixed by. arbitration.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

How are the arbitrators appointed-one by the Department of Public Works and one by the owner of the property?

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Is the minister able to state that the price fixed by arbitration was greater or smaller than the price offered by the owner?

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

My recollection is that the owner did not make any offer as to the price he required because he was informed by the department that it would be necessary to fix the value by arbitration.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Who were the arbitrators? The minister having in mind the fact that they were very able men should remember the names.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I satisfied myself that the department was represented by a thoroughly competent and reliable man, but I cannot at present give my hon. friend the name because I have no memorandum of it. I -would have no objection at all to submitting the name later on.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

The reason I ask the minister if there is any difference in the selection of sites in the province of Quebec and other provinces is. on account of an article that I haye before me from the province of Ontario. It says:

Pergus post office-Liberals hold meeting to decide on. the site.

Pergus, Dec. 1.-A public meeting of local Liberals was held to-night for the purpose of recommending to the government a site for the proposed post office. Four sites were voted upon, the final vote giving the Monroe property a majority of six over the Watt property.

It seems to be the policy at Fergus in Ontario, that when a site is to be selected the Liberals are called together, the different sites are submitted and voted upon, and I suppose that the policy will be that the Mr. iPUGSLLY.

majority shall rule. I want to know whether the same policy is applied in Quebec and other provinces or whether the minister is going to abolish this in favour of the new policy which he is introducing.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

There is no policy in Ontario, or any other province, by which we accept the recommendation of the Liberal committee or of anybody else in the locality as to the selection of a site. Of course, we cannot nrevent people in a locality, no matter what political party they belong to, making a recommendation as to what, in their judgment, would be the best site for a public building. But we do in every case send one of our own officials to make an examination of the site, to compare the price at which one site can be obtained with that asked for other eligible sites and to make his report and recommendation as to which in his judgment is most desirable for the public building. In the case of Fergus we sent a very experienced representative of the department^ to that town and it was upon his examination and report that the purchase of the property was made.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Would my hon. friend state to the committee which of these properties was selected?

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

We will come to that when we reach the Ontario items, and I would ask my hon. friend to wait.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I am quite willing, only T want to give a note of warning to my hon. friend.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

I hope my hon. friend will state whether it was the Munro site or the Watt site.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Then we are to understand that in no province of Canada are the local Liberals consulted with respect to the location of sites?

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November 30, 1909