November 19, 1909

CON

George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEO. GORDON.

I would like to ask the Secretary of State if the printing is charged to each of the different departments at actual cost?

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Charles Murphy (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY.

That is the procedure, as I understand.

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CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Would the minister give us some idea what the $10,000 is needed for in the way of sundries?

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

Telephones, telegrams, newspapers and travelling expenses.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Travelling expenses if included as sundries would not appear as ' travelling expenses * in the Auditor General's Report.

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

This is a vote for contingencies and they are taken out of that.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

A contingency is something that is unexpected, but travelling expenses are a thing that have to be paid every year. It would look as if the word ' contingencies ' was used to cover up something. I am not saying there is anything wrong about it, but the word is misleading and does not give us an accurate idea of what the money is intended for. The minister will remember that during the past year or two a good many suspicions have been aroused, and a thing of this kind is calculated to arouse suspicion. It is in the interest of the minister I make the suggestion.

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

The remarks of mv hon. friend will apply to all the departments because the word ' contingencies ' is used all through the estimates.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

I quite understand that but it does not improve the situation.

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CON

Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

How much of this vote was for travelling expenses last year?

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

The accountant has not the information, but I will procure it later.

Department of Justice-Salaries (including E. L. Newcombe, $7,000), $103,498.75.

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LIB

Allen Bristol Aylesworth (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. A. B. AYLESWORTH (Minister of Justice).

An additional stenographer is provided for this year to commence with a salary of $500.

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CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

Who decides that an extra clerk is necessary?

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LIB

Allen Bristol Aylesworth (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

It lias been discussed with me by the deputy several times during the year as a matter of necessity. It

is within my own knowledge that this official is required, but it is entirely on his representation that I am proceeding.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

I understand that the deputy minister recommends the appointment of a new officer. Who selects the officer?

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LIB

Allen Bristol Aylesworth (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

The officer will be selected, of course, under the Civil Service Act by our applying for him to the Commission, and asking them to give us the name of some person competent to take this position. We have no idea who it will be.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

Who makes the recommendation to the Civil Service Commission as to whom it should be?

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Allen Bristol Aylesworth (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

There is no recommendation to the Civil Service Commission. They have their list of candidates who have passed the examination, and under the statute they will simply make the appointment and send the person selected to the department to enter upon the duties of the office.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

Will it be a person who has passed the Civil Service examination or one who intends to apply for examination?

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LIB

Allen Bristol Aylesworth (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

It must, under the statute, be some person who has already passed.

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November 19, 1909